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someone I’m very excited to discuss this upcoming Big UFC 293 card with one half

of the morning combat Luke Thomas welcome back to submission radio pretty fresh from a holiday may I add sir yeah

reasonably fresh I’m you know um three days now and it’s time to go

back well when you travel as a parent what they don’t tell you is vacation is just not really vacation it’s a trip

it’s a trip you know but uh I wasn’t exactly living it up uh you know getting

up at 6 30 every morning right 6 30 in the morning are you in like slave Camp not bloody holiday Jesus Christ dude the

pool the we we started this Airbnb which is really nice one with a great big deck it was super cheap it was like oh that’s

so great right because the dollar is really strong in South America and that there was also this a huge pool of this

community where this Airbnb was it didn’t open until 9 A.M my daughter just didn’t believe me so she would wake me

up at 6 30 every morning let’s go to the mother effing pool dog I’m like well yeah we got some time to kill you know

best is I went on a holiday the other the other time but we had to like hide in the living room at five o’clock so

the kid would sleep so we could get a little bit of takeaway and some time to ourselves that’s like the highlight of the holiday maybe we could watch a TV

show in our crappy Hotel TV that’s you were basically held hostage by your baby

son Dennis yes you just experienced the same difficulties in a new place you know

yeah you think you were in a prison cell sharing a seller than a big guy named Reggie or something like yo dog keep it

down in there man but it’s your son Jesus Christ all right how crazy is this

Luke that we literally just spoke about this last time right how unlikely Sean Strickland would be as like sort of a

future title Contender unless literally this exact situation and scenario fell

into place and now here we are man um I’m I’m curious what you think about this fight in terms of like the timing

and Sean stepping up on short notice and how that affects things we had Eric nextick on the show phenomenal guy and

he made a point and he’s like look it’s going to be hard whether you have five weeks to prepare 10 weeks 20 weeks it’s

Israel or destiny it’s going to be hard no matter what which I think being that candid you know I really appreciated

that but then also we had huge on the show and he mentioned how like Fighters

having momentum after their last training camp are going sort of straight into another training camp is that it

can be a massive massive advantage and something that doesn’t get talked about enough I’m curious what you think about

that man um and if Sean being sort of already fit and lean going into this fight you know

gives him any kind of momentum uh yeah I mean unless a few questions

packed in there so let’s go through some of them like what do I think of the fight even that you’re right we did discuss this and we ended up in the one

that we didn’t think was the likeliest but here we are so I guess part of the good news uh such as you can say it

would be that the UFC is Nimble enough that on a card that you know it I I could be mistaken I don’t know the inner

workings of zuffa but it did not look to me like this card received the same kind of priority and planning that other big

cards do and um or at least even frankly other Australian cards of a pay-per-view do uh so it just so after thought would

be a strong word but it it kind of they they were able to luck out in the end

with a guy and Sean Strickland who I don’t think has convinced most people that he has a genuine shot but for a

backup given everything else that happened uh it’s a pretty serviceable and pretty decent actually I would say

backup again with the context everything being what it was right a lot of other promotions would have had even a more

substantially downgraded choice in a situation like that the UFC has a bit of a roster they can lean on even in

circumstances you know and and I get uh criticized to maybe some degree fairly that I bring up fighter pay or if there

were monopolization of the industry all the time but I just don’t know how you can look at this and say this is anything other than the Monopoly having

So Many Masters to serve they cannot provide the kind of typically curated experience and the curated like when the

UFC is on they’re on I mean there’s no denying that so it stands out frankly when they’re kind of off especially for

a big market like Australia especially for one of the more preeminated champions in Izzy and especially for

um you know a moment in time you talk about momentum how about the momentum of Izzy right so this is a great time to capitalize on everything he’s built as

well and it just did not feel like at least in the North American perspective it did not feel like they put a ton of

priority on making sure that this event went off without a hitch now that being said in terms of what Eugene bearman had to

offer I tend to you know I tend to defer to Eugene on a lot he’s got a lot of Combat Sports wisdom and I really take

that seriously I mean here’s something to think about right so I’ve been spending much more of my time covering boxing and we had two different big

fights this year both of them are on Showtime boxing one of which was tank Davis versus Ryan Garcia and then the

other case

Spence Crawford what was the one key thing that a lot of boxing heads picked

up on that maybe I didn’t really realize in real time that was a big deal they both cited that bud Crawford the winner

and tank Davis the winner had basically tune-up fights in between there was the avenisian fight for Bud on the BLK Prime

pay-per-view which was a bit of a whatever but it it kept him in rotation and in the same tank Davis fought here

in my hometown against Hector Garcia and stayed fresh like a guy like a guy like

um uh Sean Strickland isn’t just always kind of in the gym and has a kind of style he doesn’t have to ramp up too much for but to the point that Eugene is

making to the point that you’re raising here’s the guy who’s entering with uh as again as Eugene put it with a

significant momentum with the a boost fight everyone kind of clowned it but dude that was a tune-up fight that was a

tune-up fight he doesn’t fight like a guy like Izzy but he was just in there he got good reps he got to work out he

got to go through the experience again got to make the walk you got to do the press conference you got to do all of that on basically much easier terms dude

that benefits a guy now in the end I don’t think it’ll benefit him enough that it will matter that he will win but

you’re asking like factors that could be in play that is significantly one brother I should say that is surely one

of them yeah I mean people don’t talk about momentum and belief and confidence enough in sports and we’ve seen a we’ve

seen that it really impact a lot of big games whether it be uh mma’s basketball football whatever it’d be a guy comes in

with confidence thinking he can get it done and a lot of the times he does because he believes it um and Sean is you know obviously

writing that way I’ve gotta ask you man like obviously Eric Dick said he spoke to us you guys look I’ve tried to figure

out this Israel puzzle before you know we had Brad fighting Israel in the past this is obviously a guy that Eric would

have thought about a number of times in his head what do you think is the game plan or could be the game plan that Eric

is thinking of here to uh you know give Sean a good shot at this yeah

um you know uh I’m glad that Eric is Sean’s

coach because I think that kind of answer is above my pay grade I don’t know

frankly what he could do um so like here’s the problem right so there’s basically two Sean stricklands

okay so the two of them would be the guy who pushes this is to me the the more consistent dominant one the guy who

doesn’t do a lot of cage cutting although he does do a lot of steering guys right you saw this in the abuse

megamera fight not so much in the first round but certainly in the second round it was what he was trying against peretta a lot of folks were like oh that

was such a stupid strategy well yes it was a very stupid strategy against that guy but that style of Sean more often

than not works out pretty well for him and in fact the other excuse me the other Sean Strickland is the guy that

will sort of absorb pressure you saw this one a little bit more in the Canon ear one and his guard will change a

little bit right so he’s obviously right-handed so he’ll have this one here and then this one’s kind of low it’s like a Philly shell and right what he’ll

do is he’ll he likes to have a rhythm where he’ll put his hands up to block he’ll lean out of the way he’ll throw and lean out of the way but he kind of

stays he kind of stays with you and kind of stays on you just Out Of Reach um

in when he does that he’s much safer and you saw that fight with Canon here go the distance for a reason but in that

circumstance he’s significantly less potent he just doesn’t have the ability to have the same kind of offense going

um when he he needs to and I think they’re really the biggest hurdle when I think about it is like he pushed into

Pereira right and he got left hooked for it but when you go back and you watch that fight you really begin to realize

it’s like one thing again as I mentioned Sean moves a lot right so he’s here and he’ll move a lot right it’s a big thing

that he does his hands are constantly in motion whether it’s a circle Perry whether it’s a it’s a rear hand Perry whether it’s a Crossing block whatever

he’s doing he’s kind of got his hands in motion and then he’ll fool you with the distance of his cross and he’ll fool you with the distance of his jab right he

it’s a lot of that the point I’m trying to make is he bites on a lot of faints almost as a style

right this constant movement where he’s kind of in there leaning out of the way hands are kind of all he’s transferring

his defense constantly man I mean do I need to tell you guys that

if you bite on a lot of faints against Izzy like that’s probably gonna go real bad for you right like he’s I don’t know

that he’ll get the same kind of result that Alex got but it doesn’t take a genius to say sure is he might play it

safe might be a little bit smarter there could be ways but this fight goes a little bit longer than maybe even expected into Championship rounds

potentially but it’s just very hard for me to see how he’s going to be able to land something of significance and land

more than the champ when the champ has basically all the tools to use against

either Sean Strickland and to take advantage of the very particular kind of

motion hand motion style and transfer of Defense Style with this kind of kind of crossing guard that he uses of Sean

Strickland like it’s like a uniquely bad matchup maybe not as bad as Pereira but like not far from that so you’re asking

me how do you overcome that um I don’t know it’s a good question I

honestly don’t know I’d be curious to see what Nixon Cooks up because he’s he’s one of the best for sure yeah I

mean I mean he’s uh he’s definitely the man for the job to get this done I gotta ask you this as well

Israel isn’t the type of he’s a professional when the fight goes down he’s not going to be deviating from his

game plan he’s not going to let anything affect him in there we’ve seen it time and time again and I know like some

people are really looking forward to this press conference as am I but that’s not going to have any effect on anything

that’s going to happen in the Octagon from Israel’s perspective my question to you is do you think Sean

um do you think it’s likely he’ll follow a game plan here or do you think he might get carried away like a lot of Israel’s opponents have in the past and

uh once it’s fight time things kind of go out the window a little bit well because he’s already said he’s like I

should I think he was saying to hell in here he’s like I should probably wrestle but I probably will not he’s already admitting like he’s not gonna go down

that path he probably should wrestle I mean of all the game plans that one seems to be the most likely now actually

Sean has better defensive wrestling than offensive wrestling his defensive wrestling is actually quite good it’s

actually very good um his offensive wrestling I I’m not exactly sure how good it is I have to have to re-watch the Jack Romancing

fight to to really tell us again I’m going to be more defensive wrestling but um sorry I got carried away on that but

in terms of the moment itself and following a game plan here’s what I actually think is the perhaps the most

likely is that I you know Eric nixik um who I also have a good relationship with but

he said this publicly was like you know that definitely was not the game plan that we had for Sean when he fought Alex Bonita like that was not the the walk

into him kind of approach that they wanted again and again I want to be clear not cage cutting just kind of following as a Pereira Circle to his own

left which made the left hook even worse but uh he said he just didn’t follow one and then I think he kind of had a bit of

a Goldilocks scenario with Cannon here where he was a little bit too uh adhere to it and didn’t quite have enough oomph

going in he’ll probably have something in the middle but I I really think this either is he’s going to land something of consequence and then basically just

close the show or uh he’s gonna frustrate Sean a lot and put him in a

position where he gets out of the game plan so I fully expect him to have one and stick to it early and Izzy’s not

gonna go you know marauding into him so it might take some time to get to that point but eventually dude you got a guy

who dude Izzy is one of the best at setting traps and making you think something is gonna happen and then none

of that happens guys have gotten wiser to it over time that is also true but again we’ve got a guy who’s got not this

kind of come forward here or come forward hairstyle where he absorbed and rolls or whatever and he’s got real good

movement about angles and he’s quick we got a guy who’s like decently fast but literally cross steps into position or

even goes front foot first where he’s like lurching into it between the leg kicking and the ability to set traps I

mean those are the two biggest things that Izzy does they both work very well against the kind of style that Sean has

so Sean he’s got a tough challenge I mean there’s just no two ways about it this is a very difficult fight for him

to win if he was to win where do you think this would rank in terms of all-time MMA offsets

big it’d be big and the problem is I lived through 199 when Bisping upset rockhold and obviously we all in

Australia dude how about Holly Holm beating Ronda you know yeah yeah yeah um that’s one of the biggest ones ever yeah yeah yeah yeah so like you know it’s

hard to put it up there but it would be huge I mean because consider this dude I think we all kind of thought after peretta beat Izzy the first time in MMA

we’re like I don’t know what’s gonna happen with this Championship Reign because or even getting back to it because we saw him at 205 it didn’t look

like a good fit against blahovich you know you couldn’t close the door on it but it wasn’t it wasn’t a home run right

out of the door right you can say that and now you’re like what’s gonna happen with perdeda but then he went back in there and figured it out for the for the

final time it’s I mean that’s just miraculous to take him off of one of the most insane

pedestals that a guy has put himself I don’t know how you guys feel in Australia because it’s going to be different but I will tell you here in

North America I’ve felt that Izzy is popular for a really long time and some of my colleagues have disagreed with me

you know saying yes he’s certainly growing in that way but he’s not really there yet but you don’t really hear a lot of that now you know him O’Malley

obviously and some other ones he really turned a corner here big time you knock a guy off of that pedestal when you

weren’t supposed to get it you got it off basically a tune-up fight at the Apex your style doesn’t really work for

this guy you travel to basically his neck of the woods and you beat him dude that’d be big that’d be real real

big you know give him his credit If he if he achieves that hey Jessica like we’re talking about the Press uh just

before and like a lot of people feel like that’s the part that they’re looking forward to the most right they they a lot of people see this is like

another Sonia win I almost feel like there’s pressure on Israel here like to get

um you know a spectacular win or a spectacular finish it almost kind of has like polar cost of vibes on it not in

terms of like rivalry or anything but like you know this could be another one of those ones but then Israel mentioned

I don’t remember in which interview it was but he mentioned how like the UFC and even like Ariel’s reporting that

like UFC weren’t super keen on this fight Israel mentioned how like I think the UFC were a little bit worried about

Sean embarrassing them or something like that and I’m curious like what your take was on that like why would there be this

concern all of a sudden just because like Sean Strickland has uh main evented cards before right albeit you know more

so in the Apex maybe they thought like okay maybe not as many eyes there but like he was part of that press

conference with like Pereira and Israel and stuff like from the UFC suspective why do you think they would have been so worried about

this one do you think it’s just like oh this is the grand stage it’s the Australia card like the world will be watching it’s a title fight or what do

you think it would be well um you know this is uh let’s let’s let’s be very

close okay let me talk you know wild and fun but he’s been that’s not new you know

right so on the one hand you’re like I don’t quite understand the UFC’s position yes many many companies might

be concerned about an independent contractor that they are working with who believes what can only be described

as some of the most outrageous A person can utter in the English language um but at the same time to your point he

has a podcast they feature him on yes smaller cards but that potato card that was the Izzy card oh that’s that was a Izzy and Alex card I guess Izzy was the

headline that was the canineer Izzy right that was the one that so they featured him on big cards had he won that he would have certainly kept moving

up the ranks you know and here’s the thing about the modern UFC I remember when you guys remember when um yoel

Romero right after I was at the Supreme Court ruling here in the country I don’t remember but he said no forget Jesus

some people thought he said no four Gay Jesus Remember a week or two later was when

the UFC made their debut with the Reebok uniforms and Dana White was asked by Earl hawani hey what did you make of

what happened with ul and he was like well you know it was a bit of a mistranslation or whatever but no one wants to hear your politics he said that

he actually said that and now you know the UFC is out there basically like literally can’t like like

I’m not trying to get overly political but Trump is under 70 plus criminal indictments and they’ve wheeled the guy out at a UFC uh show and like walked him

out into the arena like it was a whole thing like they they believe it seems like at least Dana White believes it’s hard to say exactly how far down the

executive leadership this goes but that they’re basically uncancelable they want to just lean into this not like promote

Sean as like their you know the brand ambassador per se but that having a guy

in the roster who says the things that he says this still can’t affect us because we’re just not going to give in to the kinds of pressures that people

give into but you know the Australian Market to answer your question is a little bit different like I mean even I mean Alex volcanovski is one of the best

fighters I’ve ever covered look at I mean I’m old dude I’m I’m 44 I’m old and one of the best guys I’ve ever

seen ever do this is volcanovsky and you’ve even got people in his local Hometown some you know low-level politician but they’re talking

about the guy Australia’s just in a very very different place when they can’t even accept one of the greatest Sportsmen that MMA has ever seen

um and so you can only imagine what folks in that market might pick up on given what Sean is saying but I just I

think the UFC you know on the one hand hey we don’t bow to the pressure on the other hand it’s like okay but it’s a

little different the game’s a little different in Australia um in the end they’re gonna just roll the dice I don’t think it’ll be fatal or anything but it

might result in a little bit of bad press along the way I guess we’ll see and by the way shout out to Volk who had

a baby daughter I believe it and you may be doing it just the other day and what a crazy ride that guy’s had I know he

would have loved to be on this card as well gotta ask man like speaking of this card do you think the UFC screw up here

with having Rob vs Drucker so close to UFC 293 like this is always literally

the biggest fear that one of these guys would win and then not be able to fight due to injury and now we’re in this kind

of weed position here listen there’s just no argument that they did a good enough

job with this relative to the kind of job we’ve seen them do with other cards of priority you just can’t make it you can’t make it

so to answer the question about whether or not Rob versus DDP should have been here that would have been one thing that

would have made this a lot better I think In fairness but it didn’t have to be that there could have been other moves that they had made along the way

about when they planned this and when they were going to go to this date and I know there can be tricky circumstances about how dates get selected and then

Things fall through when you have we’re looking at the roster again the UFC in general is pretty careful about these

kinds of things when they can be but there’s just simply no denying they did not give this the white glove treatment

that we know that they can and it ended up in a position where you’ve got a fight of questionable need as your main

event you’ve got a decent co-main event I don’t know how you guys feel about it and then the rest of that card is

interesting I think for hardcourse and certainly the Australian public I don’t know that it will sell very well um in

North American pay-per-view I guess we’re gonna have to find out just quickly on that I just wanted I know I

think I mean we’re going over to Sydney and hopefully we get a chance to catch up with Rob himself and see how he’s

doing but yeah what do you make of this position that this weird position that he’s in in the division right now because it’s like this is a guy that’s

fought Izzy twice now he’s lost to dracus it seems like there’s going to be a bit of work for him to kind of make his way back up to a title shot he’s

kind of beaten a lot of the top contenders in the division already there’s no doubt though that he’s one of the best to ever do it a middleweight

and arguably you know right up there in the top five of the best middleweights that have done it so it’s like but he’s

in a sweet position he’s almost in this liquid Vortex where it’s like what do you even do with the guy and where does he go next

um he’s the you know the heir I mean there’s been many heirs to this man but he is in the long lineage of the rich

Franklins you know I mean the disparity between Rich Franklin and Anderson Silva

was vast the one between Izzy and Rob is not as significant but in terms of what

they represent in the in the division and where they are in their career it is pretty similar like what do you do when

now again losing to dracus also makes you wonder okay well now you’re down a peg even from that right so

um it’s not even that comparison is a little bit too lofty in certain ways um I don’t know is the answer I think he

might have to get creative with matchmaking um I don’t know if he’s ever at all

ready to explore another fight at 170. um I obviously you know he moved on and had much better success at 185 but as we

know weight class change and reinvention can often it’s what Rich Franklin did he

had some epic fights at 205 and we’re knocking out Chuck Liddell having a fight against Force Griffin had a knock down drag out with was the Henderson

final 185 I can’t remember anymore but you get the idea he certainly played with the levels there and it kind of kept him relevant and he had some losses

but he had some good wins too even as he aged but Franklin was like a real big

middleweight you know who could easily transition to 205 at least relatively easily and be kind of somewhat on the

smaller end again compared to Forrest Griffin Rob is like a small middleweight so I don’t I don’t know to what extent

205 is really even doable although would anyone say that division is like

you know um being stable is that division even like what’s going on I

mean these good opportunities right there’s some good opportunities yeah so I you know you’re asking what’s the path

of 185 difficulty difficulty is the path I think he has to Shake It Up easier for

me to say than him for him to do I I certainly understand but trying to just fight it out at 185. the trick is you

have to get another big win and then once you get a big win you can convert that back to where you want to go but

you got to get you got to get something to get the people like okay let’s get this going right let’s get this going

however he can do that I think is really the the clear goal yeah gotcha man

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you just before we let you go um we I want to get your take on this because we had the great Eugene Berryman

on a couple of weeks ago and like a lot of a lot was made of his comments regarding triggers duplicity and

Hendrick is being injured and how basically like he missed his opportunity and now he goes back into the pool and

you know he may have to fight again and how what you just saying is like he shouldn’t be confident that he’s got the

next shot basically because we were sort of looking at it from the perspective of like so do you think drinkers would be next like is that the next logical fight

without looking to forward past Sean and he said look you can’t ever be confident

that you’re next you know in this UFC game the way the UFC works and I wonder what your take was on that how much do

you think it was just completely literal how much of that was sort of gamesmanship like the camp trying to

send drakeas a message and how much of it was simply you just sort of pointing out the fact that look man we’ve seen

crazy happen in the UFC and it happens all the time you know Welter away it was like Colby Covington

numerous times um so many other title shots that you think this guy’s gonna get it they don’t get it you got Paula

Costa and Hamza sort of looming like who who would have thought Sean Strickland would be fighting Israel at

UFC 293 you know for Hamza to potentially beat Paul Acosta and then maybe go in there and fight Israel next

that’s entirely possible and I know Israel mentioned the other day speaking of Mike Bonnie’s like time waits for no man and I don’t know whether he was

referring to drikas or whether he was speaking about himself in terms of like hey I’m 34. there’s things I want to do

in this sport what if I go to 205 and then for that reason you know Rodriguez doesn’t get that next title shot I’m

just curious like how you took that from huge I took it like the ladder that

you know it was incredibly triumphant for Izzy to win in beating potato in

this last fight I mean just again don’t need to go over all of us saw it it was it was monster monster moment but it

really creates some weirdness for UFC because it’s like well dude Izzy’s beating all these guys I mean another one is out there but in general

like you look up and down that list it’s like dude there’s not a lot of fresh matchups had another had potato one

there would be much more fresh matchups like if Colby had beaten kumaru when he had the chance it would have created

first matchups because Colby had done a lot of winning excuse me um Camaro had done a lot of winning in that division so he’s kind of back to a weird place

where it’s like okay this is you know this was amazing amazing moment but you know Sean Strickland again this is a

fight of questionable need I would put it that way questionable need and then you know to your point about his age I

mean you know Izzy is eccentric but the last thing he is is stupid I mean the

last thing the very last thing he is is stupid he says things that I’m sure people like or don’t like or believe or

don’t believe but in terms of his Clarity of purpose and his understanding of himself you know there’s not many

ever like him in the fight game so I took it like his time is limited in the sport but more importantly his time

in middleweight is limited I think he wants to definitely get another crack at 205 he’s been getting progressively bigger and more filled out over the

years the last time I saw him in person was the time he lost to Parana the one when he had the the fight in New York I

believe it was if nor New Jersey whatever place it was um you know so he I think is much more

suited for a move now than he was when he fought against blahovich there is something to be said for like well who

knows because someone could get injured in training and then drikas doesn’t get his shot and it could have been you know then you have to go right to hamzat or

whatever yes that’s all in play two but as a general rule you know this is in boxing like in boxing if you interview

like Derek James or you interview bomac or interview you know you name it um Bob Santos guys will tell you like yeah our

guy’s not going to take that fight they have sway over the process I have nothing but respectful things to say by

Eugene bearman it doesn’t it’s not personal to him or specific to him but any any coach even one is tightly

intertwined in the life of his fighter in the way that he is with Izzy doesn’t really have a significant degree of say

over the process just because that’s the way MMA works today now if MMA changes and it gets more like boxing then it

will have significance I’m just saying him being like oh well we might not do it I just don’t believe between the

management and the matchmakers in the UFC that that kind of stand if it came to it would last it has to be other

factors that might steer the process in a different direction before we wrap uh just want to quickly

highlight this so we’ve got uh cam uh roasting he’s gonna compete in

the Dana White contain Contender series and then UFC 293 ckb and Eugene bearman

they have they’ll be cornering six fights on the night you got Shane Young Blood Diamond Carlos albeck Kevin you

said Juicy Juice said who we saw in Hicks Tyson Pedro and of course Israel bad I mean

I think the night before I’m pretty sure they’ve got Eternal ever made the night before and we’ve seen gyms but what

people don’t understand is we’ve seen gyms get their opportunity to sign Fighters with the UFC and we’ve seen it

fail time and time and time again and it almost feels like every year on year ckb

just keeps growing and growing I mean what do you make of this remarkable week that’s coming up for the actual gym and

Eugene bam and Luke in one night he’ll be there 50 of the time that’s insane

yeah and then they’re not they’re not nothing fights you know you’ve got guys fighting for their job you got Israel

for the belt it’s insane yeah Alice alberg who’s on the cusp of being right in there as well in the

mixing 205. yep no doubt about that um certainly uh listened I I would say

you’re probably right to have concerns I’ve seen coaches do upwards of four I’ve seen or I should say yeah I’ve seen

up to four six is a lot six is a lot and then of course the night before but you know what’s funny too is like I’ll sometimes

watch fights out of Australia like boxing fights and I’ll be like like is that Eugene bearman in

the corner with this dude like you know he’s big in boxing he’s got his red boxes too yeah yeah so you’ll just

randomly see I’m like dude this is what this guy does this is what this guy does every week every day he lives it he

bleeds it I don’t think it’s like the best idea to like have six on the night

before but the two things I would say is one I I’m if Izzy loses I have a hard

time seeing this being the reason you know your reasons are usually Multiverse factored but uh you know because my

point really is if anybody can do it anybody it’s him I mean you know I just

don’t think you guys know this and I think a lot of you are Australian and and kiwi fight fans know this but like

you know again for whatever it’s worth I’ve been interviewing coaches for a long time dude they’re not they don’t come as smart as him very often I mean

he is a master of his craft he understands his students they understand him everything is locked in he I’m not

gonna say rules with an iron fist but he certainly gets the respect from his students quite visibly everywhere he goes they listen to him as much as they

need to uh I I think in general and his understanding of the fight game is like

I I really believe he’s ahead of his time I think the fight game will catch up a little bit obviously he’s as he

gets older and best practices get better you can’t hold on to whatever Advantage you have in the fight game forever but

you know make no mistake about it dude Eugene Berman is ahead of his time now in fairness Eric nixic I think is also just one of the very finest coaches that

we have so this is a battle of the uh Clash of the Titans but but you’re asking like could someone do six I don’t

recommend it I don’t recommend it but I feel like if I had to pick a guy out of a crowd of elite coaches who could be up

for the challenge Eugene Berman would probably be at the top of that list history in the making man this this guy

being able to do it nothing should have extraordinary uh extraordinary like you my friend Luke follow the man at Luke

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Market Monday for ESPN back with you

today joined by legendary pro wrestler

WWE star former Olympic gold medalist

with a broken freaking neck Kurt Angle

uh it’s an honor card to chat with you

you have a documentary coming out

September 2nd on peacock About You Know

The Life and Times of Kurt Angle in the

pro wrestling business I just want to

ask you you know right off the top since

we’re talking about pro wrestling uh the

the world of that sport that industry

lost someone pretty special this week in

Bray Wyatt one of the most creative you

know Innovative Minds in that in that

business I know you worked with him a

little bit

um anything you want to share about any

memory of Bray white you’d like to share

uh he was really creative

um he came up with some incredible

characters that were really fun to watch

it was really exciting he was smart he

was athletic

um uh we’re we’re gonna miss a very

special person this kid uh

revolutionized the business he really

did he um he had some amazing ideas and

Concepts that he did and

um he he always kept the fans

entertained and uh we’re gonna sorely

Miss uh Bray Wyatt

it’s uh such a strategy just 36 years

old and you know pro wrestling is a

business that is uh I mean it’s it’s uh

it can be a tragic business at times

right with with some of the the death of

younger ages the the stuff that you know

you guys put your bodies through and the

travel and uh I mean it’s uh it’s uh

it’s it’s it’s it’s a it’s probably like

a love-hate relationship with wrestling

sometimes right

yeah yeah you know what uh one thing

about pro wrestling if you look at this

history as uh the the entertainers tend

to pass away at a lot younger ages than

the average person

um I’m not sure if it’s because you take

a toll on your body and uh you know for

20 30 years you’re doing pro wrestling

and you’re bumping in that ring the

whole time and uh you’re traveling every

day there’s just so many unhealthy

issues to pro wrestling uh they’re

probably uh uh are the reason why you’re

seeing a lot of younger deaths uh uh in

in the sport

you know you got you guys give so much

to the fans you know for the sake of

entertainment right it’s like the stuff

that you guys do the stuff you put your

bodies through uh you were no different

right I mean I’m sure that you wrestled

you wrestled through injuries I mean

there were all kinds of issues right

over the course of your career anything

you wanna you wanna highlight and talk

about as far as that goes

um I you know I I wrestled through a lot

of injuries uh during the Olympics and

uh during pro wrestling

um you know the Olympics I had a lot of

knee injuries uh I broke my neck right

before the Olympics I had to overcome

that uh it was a tough situation for me

back then and it continued on in pro

wrestling I I had uh knee back shoulder

injuries uh I broke my neck four more

times in the WWE in a span of two and a

half years uh injuries are part of the

sport it’s part of sports entertainment

and uh you have to learn how to work

around them and sometimes you’re gonna

have to take time off and let them heal

you know you you say I broke my neck

four times uh within a two-year span to

to most individuals that would sound

completely insane right that’s like oh I

can’t believe I mean that’s even a

possibility and you kept on wrestling I

mean it’s it’s just uh how’d you do that

I mean it’s crazy you know what I

the sport the pro wrestling

um there’s such a stigma to it and when

you’re doing it you love doing it you

love doing the work and I knew you know

the first time the second time I broke

my neck which was the uh in WWE

um the first time I broke my neck was in

the before before the Olympics the

second time I broke my neck was in 2003

in WWE and uh I I took some time off uh

had a surgery and I let my neck heal but

I don’t think I allowed it to heal long

enough I only took about six to seven

weeks off and I came back and I broke my

neck right again again uh so

um and then I took some more time off uh

let my neck feel for six weeks I came

back again broke my neck again so it was

an ongoing thing and the reason why I

kept coming back is because you’re so

addicted to entertaining the people and

you you also want to make that money so

uh you know it got to the point in my

head that I was going to keep going

until I couldn’t go anymore

so that meant it doesn’t matter how many

broken necks I get I’m going to keep

coming back and keep going and uh

unfortunately for me that’s you know

that’s what caused the painkiller

addiction and that’s uh where I got

myself in a lot of trouble

yeah and uh that’s it’s a crazy story

and I know you probably have a lot of uh

crazy story about the wrestling industry

I wanna I wanna ask you this because

you’ve always been known for you know

when people when people say like who who

was like the most well-rounded or who

was the best rounded wrestler maybe in

pro wrestling history a lot of people

will say Kurt Angle right because you

were able to work as a baby face as a

heel you know you were excellent in the

ring you were incredibly athletic uh you

were great on the microphone you could

do comedy you could do really every

aspect of the industry at a very high

level do you have any moments or things

that you liked more than others or

things that stood out to you Above the

Rest you know what it was the moments it

wasn’t even you know the wrestling was

great it was important uh I remember

some of the greatest matches of my

career but it was the entertainment

aspect when you know when I when I came

out with the milk truck and and I

sprayed down silicone Steve Austin the

alliance with milk uh those kind of

moments um singing Sexy Kurt uh battle

rapping with John Cena uh you know you

you create memories for the fans that

they remember forever so it’s not just

the wrestling it’s the entertainment

aspect and that’s what I love the most

about it um I didn’t even know I had a

map to be funny

um I never never was a funny person in

my life until I started WWE and Vince

McMahon gave me this character to

portray and I I nailed it and uh you

know thank god it worked out for me and

uh you know I had I had a stellar career

I I can’t complain about anything I’ve

done throughout my career except for you

know the injuries and the painkillers

but

um I I had a great career and I I’m very

proud of it

wrestling is so interesting to me

because a lot of those things that you

mentioned in fact I think maybe all

those things you mentioned were kind of

before the dawn of social media right

before like you know there was

high-speed internet in some cases uh and

and yet these things live on and you

know you’ll scroll through Instagram or

you’ll scroll scroll through Twitter or

X or whatever they’re calling it now and

you’ll see like the milk truck or you’ll

see you know you with the guitar or

you’ll see you know all these these uh

these things and uh it’s just it’s just

really interesting to me how wrestling

has almost gained like a different life

in the social media era

yeah you know what it is it’s about the

memories it’s it’s uh you know the

moments that you give the fans uh that’s

what they enjoy most and

um you know the thing is with with fans

most of them sit down and watch

wrestling with their family and it

reminds them you know when I wrestle

back in the early 2000s I have a lot of

fans that come to me and say Kurt thank

you for the Memories uh I remember you

know before my dad passed away

um you know we would watch wrestling

together and it was the one thing we

could talk about and I thank you so much

for entertaining us all those years

that’s the greatest feeling in the world

and and those are the kind of fans that

we have very loyal fans that enjoyed

watching with their families and it

brought incredible memories uh for them

in the past

what would you say was your I guess

proudest achievement because there were

there were a host of them right I mean

in terms of wrestling obviously you won

the Olympic gold medal which is you know

an incredible feat uh but you know was

it was it championships in WWE was it

you know you’re wrong with TNA where you

know you were one of the faces of not

the face of that company for for a a

pretty long amount of time what was like

the number one thing for you my proudest

moment was when the Olympic gold medal

um there’s nothing that compares to that

that was the real deal that was me uh

dreaming about that since I was a child

I also am really proud of winning the

World Championships in 1995 right before

the Olympics

um but as far as pro wrestling there are

a lot of things

um that I could tell you that I was

really proud of but the most proud was

being able to be the most consistent

wrestler I was able to have the best

matches consistently all the time

um uh the only other person I could

think of that have matches as consistent

as I did with Sean Michaels and uh so

I’m I very I feel very proud that I am

considered one of the greatest of all

time and uh you know that makes me feel

really good because I never plan to be a

pro wrestler when I was a kid you know I

just wanted to win Olympic gold medal

and when that was up I didn’t know what

to do and I thought what’s next and wlb

came to me and you know the rest is

history so uh you know I I’m grateful to

the WWE for giving me an extended career

and being able to be uh

um be utilized the the way they utilize

me I mean I I came in and they

immediately you know brought me from

opening card to Main Event very quickly

and uh so they they gave me the

opportunity and I took advantage of it

I’m glad you mentioned that because uh

the the main thing that I covered for

ESPN is is the UFC I cover MMA and uh

you know you broke into you broke into

WWE kind of before the big boom of the

UFC uh have you I mean I know I know

that there was talks at some point about

you maybe going into the octagon and

doing something you know and and

fighting how close was that do you have

any regrets about not doing it any

thoughts on that you know what I I got

offered three different times and uh

listen Dana White great individual I

absolutely love the guy he gave me

opportunities I passed them up

unfortunately but uh the first time was

when right after the Olympics in 1996.

uh Dana White wasn’t involved with the

UFC back then they came to me and they

gave me their best contract and it

wasn’t a very good contract it was 10

fights for 150 000 that’s 15 000 fight

and that was the height

there were Fighters and uh I was like

yeah you know what that doesn’t sound

right I I’m you know I I I love fighting

but I don’t love it that much to get my

butt kicked for 15 grand

um so I decided to go to the WWE and

when I got there I had so much success

early on and then UFC started becoming

mainstream in the early 2000s and this

is when I was having a stellar career in

WWE winning World Championships being

the rock for the world championship

beating stone cold for the world

championship and I thought man I would

love to fight but I’ve already had this

great career going on right now I think

I’m okay and I decide not to do it and

then in 2006 when I left the WWE

um my manager contacted Dana White I was

experienced whether I could fight and uh

Dana flew me out there and he put me up

in a really nice uh Suite uh in a hotel

a penthouse suite was beautiful and uh

he offered me a deal and um I I

considered it and I ended up turning it

down and uh and then um four years later

when out my contract was up with TNA and

the reason why I turned it down in 2006

was because I just signed a contract

with TNA and Dana White would not let me

wrestle and fight at the same time and I

didn’t want to go back to TNA and say

listen that contract I just signed is

null and void so I didn’t want to do

that and I wanted to respect their

wishes and continue on with TNA so Dana

told me you know what when you’re done

wrestling come back to me and I did when

I thought I was going to be done

wrestling in 2010 I went back to Dana

and Dana came up with an idea he wanted

me to be on real fighter with Kimbo

Slice

and um I uh ultimately yeah yeah our

ultimate fighter yeah

um and um I uh I considered it and I

said well Dana

uh if you don’t pay those guys to be on

TV and he said I know but you know what

I’ll give you half a million to be on

the show and then I’ll give you this

contract a six fight deal regardless

whether you win it uh Ultimate Fighter

or not you’ll have a contract when it’s

over and uh I thought about it and uh at

that point in my life I was 41 years old

I broke my neck five times I sat back

and realized I started training for it a

little bit and I realized I’m past my

Prime I can’t do this so I had to turn

it down but I’m very grateful for the

offers Dana White gave me he’s an

incredible person uh you know he he

wasn’t uh mean or upset by any means

because I turned it down he was really

cool about everything and I I’m very

very grateful he gave me the

opportunities

any any like what ifs for you that that

you know you weren’t able to get into

that world uh

uh oh no I was

you know it really um every once in a

while gets to me and I you know when I

watch these fights I’m like gosh man I

think I would have done pretty well in

this you know seeing Brock Lesnar and my

friend uh be uh you know um UFC champion

uh you know seeing Randy Couture who I

trained with for the Olympics being UFC

champion

um you know it makes you question you

know did you do the right thing but I

look back and I say you know what I I

had a pretty stellar career in pro

wrestling so I can’t regret that

my friend Daniel Cormier I think a

friend of yours as well uh he told me

one time my friend and colleague you

know my ESPN colleague Daniel Cormier

he’s a great analyst he told me one time

that that when he was in the Olympic

Training Center he he was he’s been a

wrestling fan his entire life still is

today we talk about it very often uh he

told me that that he wanted to go into

WWE and he spoke with you and you told

him try MMA first obviously it worked

out very well for him he became you know

one of the greatest fighters of all time

do you remember that conversation with

DC yes yes I remember Daniel uh he uh I

believe he was an NCAA runner-up and uh

he was at the Olympic Training Center

training I went out there to record some

stuff with the WWE and the show with the

past of where I used to train for the

Olympics and I met up with Daniel and he

you know he talked to me about that

about you know whether going to pro

wrestling or MMA and I told him listen

do the real deal do the real thing first

I’ll give you an example Ronda Rousey

that she had an incredible UFC career

and then she spotted off into a WWE

career I think I that’s what I was

thinking for Daniel Cormier and uh I’m

glad he did it because he had an

incredible career he’s considered one of

the greatest fighters of all time and

that’s that’s a big feat

and Shamrock too I guess you know he was

fighting first then he went into pro

wrestling

earlier yeah yeah can you do the same

thing and uh Kenny you know he’s one of

the greatest of all time as well I mean

Kenny had a huge impact on my life in

career as as not just a pro wrestler but

uh uh uh um a competitor you know seeing

Ken and how Fierce he was in the Octagon

uh I was a huge fan of his I used to

watch that him and Mark Coleman and Dan

Severn because Mark and Dan were my

opponents for the Olympic trials I don’t

know if you know that but uh so uh Mark

Carr was another guy that I used to

compete against for the Olympic trials

he was about uh Pride Champion

um but uh watching these guys back then

it was really cool to see you know

people that I wrestled in the past uh

having a such a huge impact on MMA

there is uh there is a former Olympic

gold medalist in wrestling in WWE right

now a recent one Gable Stevenson uh who

seems to have just a world of potential

I’m not sure how well you know Gable or

if or if you’ve worked them at all yeah

we did two segments on Raw um we we uh

we did a milk truck segment where I

sprayed down uh uh Chad Gable and uh

Otis uh with milk and uh Gable was

helping me out uh so you know I got to

meet him and uh talk to him on a few

different occasions but I heard his

training I heard he’s doing incredibly

well and it looks like he has a very

bright future I just don’t know how

entertaining he’s going to be as far as

wrestling in the ring he’s he’s got that

covered I’ve been told many times

especially by a strainer that he has

that down pack I mean he he is so

athletic it’s unbelievable so I I don’t

think think he has any problem with

being in the ring but to see what kind

of way he can entertain fans that’s the

question and we’ll see what happens

hopefully as well for sure how do you

think Daniel Cormier would have done and

uh in www oh he would have been great

Daniel he he’s an Entertainer man he he

uh you know he he’s uh

uh what would you call it uh a ClickBank

you know this guy he says stuff and you

know the media picks it up I think he

would have been entertaining I think his

wrestling would have been incredible uh

I think Daniel would have had a stellar

career probably uh equal to mine I

believe really that’s that’s saying

that’s saying quite a bit

yeah I I have that much uh faith in

Daniel I think he would have had a

stellar career as as good as mine

wow wow uh a couple more things I want

to ask you Curry before I let you go I’m

an MMA guy so I have to ask you about uh

Henry sahuto another oh yeah uh gold

medalist I know a friend of yours as

well did you watch his last fight

against al Jermaine Sterling you know

he’s back from retirement and all that

now

I watched the highlights I didn’t get to

see the fight but um he he put on a

pretty good performance though I don’t

think uh he should be ashamed of

anything uh he did step out of

retirement I think that if he would have

taken a couple of fights first uh to get

himself warmed up for it I think he

would have done better

and uh another person I want to ask you

about Colby Covington he uses your

entrance music yeah

out with them and uh I I was actually

considering it I just at the date he

wanted me to go I couldn’t go and then

we never talked about it again but you

know what the kobe has given me so much

uh attention you know by playing my

music all the fans remember is Kurt

Angle and they chat you suck well well

he’s coming out so he’s just giving me

Free Press

I find it so funny because MMA fans

sometimes they can be uh dismissive of

pro wrestling MMA fans yeah Colby

Covington’s music hits like you said the

fans in the arena start chanting you

suck and it’s almost like it’s almost

like uh Pavlov’s dog they remembered

from when they were younger and it just

kind of happened crazy is the funniest

thing no you’re absolutely right it’s

hilarious and it’s crazy because they

are fight fans you know not not all of

them are wrestling fans probably not

even half of them are but they do

recognize the music and you have to

remember my music’s played all over the

place uh in stadiums Arenas uh you know

during uh

um uh during uh timeouts uh the Arenas

and stadiums play my music it’s just

it’s one of the most recognized songs

and it’s it’s something that fans Can

chant to so you know even though it’s

you suck it’s still something that they

can say and I think that’s why it has a

good ring to it

last thing I wanted to ask you about

I’ve been dying asking about you about

this for a while I actually spoke with

Gerald Briscoe about this a few years

ago

um you had an actual a real wrestling

match with Brock Lesnar

that’d be right in the ring can you tell

me about this and then how I went down

Jerry’s full of crap I’m just gonna tell

you that I I did not die

um a quick story

um he he when he came in he he told

somebody that he could whip my butt

because I was too small so I walked up

to him the first time I met him I said

hey Brock I’m Kurt Angle and

um I heard you said you could whip my

butt he started laughing and he said I

could and I said well let’s get in the

rig right now he said well I have

sandals on I took my shoes off I said

let’s go barefoot he said no no I don’t

want to do that so A couple weeks later

he was in the ring with Big Show and

they were wrestling for real and um

Brock was picking Big Show on 525 pounds

picking him up and slamming them and I

was like oh my God I might not be able

to beat this guy I mean he was showing

so much quickness and power and strength

it was like wow this kid’s uh not human

and I remember Brock’s back was to me he

was in a ring The Big Show was on the

other side of Brock and big spell was

facing me and I told Big Show get out of

the ring I whispered and I pointed out

of the ring he said okay and he got out

of the ring and I walked up behind Brock

and I tapped him on his shoulder I said

it’s time to go and he said okay let’s

do it and we did it and we went for

about 15 minutes

um but um I took him down twice he

didn’t take me down it wasn’t that I

crushed him or dominated him I beat him

but you know it wasn’t it wasn’t like a

a runaway match it was it was pretty

close I was just proud that I was able

to you know go get in that ring with a

310 pounder when I weighed 215 and I was

able to hold my ground with him

I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen a a

better like

athlete at that size than Brock Lesnar

like in anything no I tell people that

all the time that you you cannot get you

can’t think of anybody that has that

kind of quickness power stamina uh

strength he is explosive and uh he’s

just a freaking nature and I don’t think

people really understand I mean put it

this way he didn’t have to train much to

be the UFC champion I mean he he started

training he trained for a little bit but

he didn’t it wasn’t like years of

training he trained for you know six

seven months and he went out there and

he became UFC champion you don’t do that

unless you’re some kind of incredible

athlete uh because because their

experiences is the key to MMA you want

to have a lot of experience and the more

experience you have the better you get

and Brock didn’t have any experience

when he became UFC champion the reason

why he did is because he’s so athletic

and he’s a freaking nature

absolutely just to put a bow on this

again peacock documentary on kurdo

coming out on September 2nd Kurt if

there’s one thing that if I asked you

what would you like to be remembered for

the most uh as a pro wrestler or or as

an athlete in general what would that

one thing be

well mostly the Olympic gold medal I

want people to remember me

synonymous with the Olympic gold medal

but I also want people to remember me as

an incredible Entertainer I I had the

time of my life in the WWE and in TNA

and uh I did the best I could for the

fans and I’m so grateful for the fan

support they continue to support me

today I go to appearances now and they

show up I mean thousands of people it’s

just uh it’s really cool to have that

kind of impact on people and I do want

to say that my documentary it’s a little

different than the WWE documentary

because this documentary that’s coming

out on peacock is going to be more

Olympic heavy than WWE heavy and uh so

the documentary that aired on a e was

different because it was it was WWE

heavy it was predominantly WWE but this

new one is going to be uh uh 60 Olympic

and 40 pro wrestling excellent can’t

wait to see it again peacock September

2nd Kurt Angle uh it’s an honor thank

you so much I’m gonna go text Dan and

Cormier and tell him that that he would

have had an equal career to him in WWE

if he won no no no he’s gonna start

crying because he’s gonna be like why

did I do it exactly exactly Kurt thank

you so much I really appreciate it

thanks man take care

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been waiting for DC and RC welcome to a brand new episode

here with Battle Scars this Warfare Louisiana’s in the air from Marrero to

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I’m a Super Bowl champ when the mic’s on it’s showtime DC and RC we win in Super

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we got our own song up in this piece Doug welcome to DC and RC I’m Daniel

Cormier that’s my RC what’s up man very familiar backdrop

back in Bristol the grind is about to start for my guy if you weren’t busy

man listen you know bro like I’m excited the season is here we got Monday night countdown I have DC and RC every Tuesday

still still on NFL live but like this is what we signed up for for bro a boy from

Lafayette a boy from the West Bank of Louisiana doing big things repping out State the right way bro and I’m excited

to talk about what we have on the show today you know a lot of times people start to

feel sorry for the travel and everything but we chose this and you always got to be blessed to know that you got what you

look for it comes up on the show guys we’re going to talk about Max Holloway’s big win over the Korean zombie we also look

forward to UFC 296 and try to figure out who’s going to headline one of the biggest cards of the year and as always

we tap in or we Tap Out RC little Daniel was playing Madden yesterday bro and I

saw y’all on Madden though you really did why don’t you tell me why didn’t you

tell me hey bro because it was a secret man so we couldn’t let it out until Madden actually dropped and it’s one of

those weird things they couldn’t promote the pivot so Fred Channing and myself

basically had to go into a deal as individuals and be the Madding the

Madden cast it was super cool three former football players on a game that you dreamed you dreamed of being on as a

player to now be on it as an analyst or quote unquote podcaster it’s super dope

man and the blessings just keep coming yeah absolutely happy for you guys I was

like dang that’s our seat I’m up there too like this boy everywhere man I can’t close my eyes and not see Ryan Clark

right but another guy that was front and center last weekend has lived there in

mixed martial arts Max Holloway he got that fight that he was asking for for so long against the Korean zombie and not

only did he win he delivered in resounding fashion you couldn’t have even expected Max to look any better how

impressed were you but I feel like my biggest question when it comes to Max

Holloway RC is how frustrating is it to be that good

but be just right underneath one person because he’s so clearly the second best

guy in the weight class but that he just dominates other guys like this yeah what is he we something like he’s

undefeated against the rest of the people in the featherweight division but he’s 0-3 against Champion Alexander

volkanovsky and he’s just that good when you talking about Max Holloway the way

that he’s boxed you go back to yahir Rodriguez and turning himself into a

total mixed martial artist by holding him up against the cage using his

wrestling and his grappling and so when you think about Max Holloway you think about Hall of Fame you think about one

of the best to ever do it I still have that Vision in my head of him screaming to y’all I’m the best boxer this The

Varsity like that’s who Max Holloway is this is the same dude in a championship fight against Brian Ortega was teaching

him how to block the strikes while still striking with him and so max Holloway

once again goes out against the Korean zombie and puts on an absolute show that’s finished with the overhand right

but before I pass it back to to you DC and allow the world to get your thoughts

which is really why they come here I want to give props to the Korean zombie I want to talk about a mixed martial

artist that lived up to his nickname or octagon names so much we stopped using

his real name and when he came out for the third round he came out ready to swing for the fences he came out ready

to go toe-to-toe with one of the best that has ever done it and if that’s the way we are going to see the Korean

zombie off I say this all the time if I’ma go down DC if I’ma fail if imma

lose I want to do that junk being myself and he went out totally being himself

throwing caution to the wind and standing face to face with one of the best to ever do it in the featherweight

division so salute to You Korean zombie welcome to retirement you have earned

this rest his name yeah you know it’s crazy like you said right we stopped using his name

his name is Chan song Jung right but he was so and regarded as the Korean zombie that

people didn’t call him that anymore but the reality is this Max Holloway pitched an

it was like watching a guy that’s pitching and he’s pitching a no-hitter or a one-hitter because he was doing

exactly what he intended to do inside the octagon and he was always ready one of the things that was most uh evident

to me whenever the fight started it looks stronger he looked bigger he

looked like he had put on some muscle going into this fight and he was ready for everything but when the Korean

zombie went full zombie mode Max once again proved as we have seen him do on

many many occasions how tough he is this is so why this is a Hawaiian boy that is tough and mean and

if you’re gonna fight him he’s gonna fight you he did it with Jeremy Stevens what about 10 seconds to go he’s winning

the whole fight points to the center of the outcome and says let’s go stood there just threw back and just bang with

him when he didn’t have to Korean zombie tried to do this weekend gets hit with the right hand Max Holloway

again why he is one of the greatest fighters of all time bro and I’m not saying this because we’re friends I love

Max Holloway personally but in terms of his athletic ability and his accomplishments they are Second To None

the guy’s 18-0 against the rest of the featherlies yeah only gotta can figure him out is Alexander volkonowski and

that is nothing to sneeze at because volcanovsky is great but Ryan you wanted to give the Korean zombie his flowers

you wanted to tell how impressed you were by his approach

so many times and I watched someone losing 28 or two two rounds to nothing

with around the go and they sit back almost waiting for the final Bell and it is the most frustrating thing in the

world to me Korean zombie was losing two rounds and opposed to sitting there and waiting he said man to hell with this

I’m fighting I am going to fight I’m gonna go out on my shield

the appreciation for the Korean zombie is rooted in those types of moments

where you saw him overcome adversity die on die on his

shield and just give enroll when they played his walkout song afterwards Man album started crying

being zombie because you know he got that song from The Cranberries it’s called zombie and the crowd was singing

it it’s in Singapore dude it was a crazy moment my boy Eddie child in his arms it was it was a retirement

befitting a guy that stole the hearts of the whole General mixed martial arts public

you know what it is too it’s it’s really something you have to pay respect to Max

Holloway for as well Max Holloway called for this fight Max Holloway is the

number one contender in the featherweight division but we’ve seen him fight the yair Rodriguez is the the

Brian Ortega’s the the Calvin caters we’ve seen all of this before and he’s

seen it right he’s been in the octagon with those dudes he knows that he’s better but he respected Korean zombie so

much he didn’t want his career to end that’s Max Holloway’s career and he didn’t want the Korean zombies career to

end without ever being inside the octagon with him to me that’s the utmost

respect DC yeah I’m fighting down seven slots yeah I’m fighting someone that

lost in four rounds to Alexander volkanowski but I’m okay volkanovsky but I’m okay with that I’m okay with getting

in there with somebody I respect somebody who I know is coming to fight he each and every day and that’s what

you got to respect about a guy like Max Holloway and it’s crazy Max Holloway’s

31 years old dog like he’s not one of these dudes that’s entering his 40s and

that’s out of his prime he’s already the all-time strikes leader in mixed martial arts my son Jordan is texting me and he

was like pop I don’t know what the hell Max Holloway’s face is made out of and so when you look at him now though DC

after fighting Korean zombie after seeing him dominate Arnold Allen in the

fight previously there is nobody else for him other than Alexander volkanovsky

inside of the division what’s the next step for Max where do we see him go next

DC because now it’s like your must-see TV whenever you’re on we just don’t know

who we must see you against you know it’s the craziest thing trying to figure out what’s next for Max

Halloween everything before I want to toss to some sound that Max had at the press conference Max Holloway got out the way

right he was fighting for Hawaii we know what they’re going through over there but he got out the way and allowed the

Korean zombie to have a moment he didn’t have a long post-fight interview he knew

what was happening part gave love to his homeland gave love to his his State and

he got out of there and left the Korean zombie to have his moment that was also big of Max Holloway but when you talk

about Max and where he stands in the division it is a very different place Max had this to say at the post-fight

press conference so take a listen undeniable man all week I’ve been saying

undeniable I’m not here to call nobody out uh that’s your guy’s job to figure that out that’s the fans job to do for

me so I’m just here to be undeniable I want to win the title back I want to defend it a bunch of times and after we

did that maybe even go up go up a weight or or two to get more titles so we’ll see what happens you know anything’s

possible all I got to do is uh Focus you know keep one foot in front of the other and uh keep grinding

what I’m thinking is this with Max Holloway saying I just want to be undeniable

it’s hard to deny a guy another opportunity whenever he fights in the way that he fights granted

that Alexander volkanovski has some work to do he’s gonna fight Ilya to pour you and we will see what happens there but I

think for Max Holloway if you continue to put him in there with people it seems

as though he’s going to continue to beat them which then in turns makes less Challengers for the champion Alexander

volcanovski so you find him in a really odd situation I mean like 3 100 strikes the second is Angelo

she has 1800 bro dude’s got over 1300 more strikes landed in the UFC over the

second person on the list but if he goes and fights a taporia he’s gonna be

favorite if he goes in fights Arnold Allen bye he beat him so I don’t know if

continuing to March him out there with more featherweights is the right thing to do

change at the top for Max Holloway I think the biggest thing for him is going to be change he needs

hope that taporia can get the job done against volkanoski because just like

Valentina chefchenko losing the belt it refreshes the division that’s exactly

what Max Halloween needs yeah I mean you want to say that Ilya

toporia can get in there with Alexander bovkanowski and really solve a puzzle that no one else has been able to solve

which is the puzzle of voke but I just don’t see it happening and it almost feels like Max Holloway has to be in

some sort of limbo until some met something at the top of the featherweight division changes so for me

it’s it’s Max Holloway now the super fight guy does Max Holloway try to move

up to 155 where we know that Islam is

King it’s such a difficult place for him to be because you are one of the most

exciting fighters in the entire organization you are one of the best fighters in the entire organization and

if not for one man maybe has the longest featherweight reign of all time and

that’s very difficult because I agree with you DC when we see him in there with these lesser Fighters or these

fighters who are also vying for Championship contention he’s in a different class than those dudes but if

we look to the fight or the final fight finale of the trilogy it looked like

Alexander volkanovsky was in a different class class than Max Holloway and so

those are the difficult things that the matchmakers of the UFC are going to have to deal with when you look at Max

Holloway DC and I Know It Matters on how you can gain weight how you can cut weight is he now going to be the guy

where if we have an exciting fighter that is near Max Holloway’s weight class the UFC is trying to put him inside the

octagon with them just to entertain the fans until something can shake differently in the featherweight

division you know what’s crazy RC it’s like I understand

give him the fun fights but generally you give the fun fights to the guys that kind of on their way out like he said

max is 31 bro like this dude is 31 years old it’s crazy we have watched him grow

up inside the Octagon he’s one of those guys that just a special talent and you

feel like he’s going to be around for a long time still dude Max Holloway for all the damage that he’s taking RC has

never been knocked down like Jordan said the guys Planet he cannot be hurt he’s so tough

he’s so that he’s going to be a handful for anyone it’ll be interesting to see what happens with him next because the

one time he fought at 155 he seemed a little bit small so for as big as he is at featherweight it would be like

in terms of him being a lightweight he’s not necessarily a big guy at 145. so

when you think about Max Holloway RC he’s one of the all-time greats but he’s not currently holding a championship

do I think the best fights in the UFC that don’t hold the title excluding Max

Holloway we can’t put Max on the list but who do believe three Fighters currently in the oct the

fighting and don’t hold the uh I mean honestly for me it’s going to be

Brandon Moreno Sergey pavlovich and Hamza Chimayo I think when you look at

those three men in DC I was truly trying to stay away from former Champions

because you could go to guys like Alex pajeda you could go to guys that have had the crown and then lost their Yuri

prohotska and talk about the fact that those guys should be Champions but I believe Brandon Moreno who we’ve seen in

absolute Wars in his division to me is number three Sergey pavlovich who should

be working his way up to a heavyweight title opportunity based on what happens between Stipe and Jon Jones and Hamza

shamaya if Hamza shamaya who will have to fight at 185 but he’s 12-0 we saw him

dominate during covet and after his absolute war with Gilbert Burns seems

like a dude that is Battle tested and understands how to take himself to deep water and wave until he can swim his way

out so these are three men I Look to to seeing them battle for the championship really soon and many of them if not all

of them can win it all you know what’s crazy is like you stayed away from the former Champions I think I

might have all former Champions so for me it was at number because I’m thinking the best fighter

without a belt most of them are former Champions at number three I have Charles Oliveira and Valentina

yeah Charles Oliveira in the way that he fought against banil darush looked as good as he’s ever looked inside the

Octagon obviously Valentina is who she is and I didn’t feel like the list would be complete without nor without listing

the former champion at 125. at number two I got Aaron blanchfield bro it’s a

good one the other day and I said to myself I go Aaron blanchfield is really

really good because we know how hard of a fight Tyler Santos was for Valentina

chefchenko for out there get beat up in the first round State the course and win the fight in

the way that she did and by the third round RC one land in the strikes she was the one

that wasn’t at all she was the one pressing and moving into Santos unbelievably impressive and at number

one I agree with you I think the best fighter that’s not holding the championship right now of course

this kid is going redefine what fighting is I think that

if he goes back to 170 he’s on a very short list of guys that can hold the championship I think that in the right

matchups at 1A this is a guy championship and I also believe that in

time because it’s a very young man still RC this may be the guy Conor always talked about it I think Hamza Maya may

make it a reality could hold a championship at 100 at 205

pounds as he gets older I think that with this kid’s fighting style his ability he could win it light and he

could win it heavy he is the the definition of pound for pound because I

don’t believe that that style will not translate between 205 all the way down to 170 RC

yeah when you think about where we’ve seen him fight so far in the welterweights and middleweight division

he’s absolutely been dominant over people inside the octagon and if he can

gain the weight because he is already someone that has a difficult time cutting to 170 when you look at the way

he grapples the toughness that we’ve seen him show especially in that fight versus Gilbert Burns he’s a dude that I

could see as he gets older and puts on some of that grown man way DC which is something both you and I know about have

him fight at light heavyweight and use his ability to stay close to guys when he gets his hands on you it’s hard to

get them off and it’s also hard to get up from that top pressure this is a dude that has longevity in the game and I

believe at some point may not only have one championship belt but two even three

according to the great DC DC something else that happened recently is that we found out there’s going to be a December

pay-per-view card now this car does not have a main event so I want you to take

out your Matchmaker crystal ball and if you have an opportunity to pick the

December 16th Main Event what would it be especially based off of some of the

main events we’re going to see throughout September October and November

well RC didn’t condensate I’m not in that fight card I just saw the other day he put like a poster that the fight was

done it was Conor McGregor versus Mike Chandler that’s not true Conor McGregor’s lying bro Conor McGregor

tries to wield things into existence it’s gonna happen but it’s not gonna

happen it’s not counter Mike we were hoping that it was kind of Mike but RC I think that it boils down to two things

you look at the pay-per-views we have on the docket right now makachev and Abu Dhabi which just makes sense right the

the the the the the dagestanis do really well in the Middle East then you got Izzy in Australia

which just makes sense then for the 30th anniversary card you got Jones estepe which is the biggest fight in Madison

Square Garden it just makes sense for me when I start to break everything down

Alexa gross was also fighting Valencia chefchenko on Mexican Independence Day it just makes sense so a lot of times I

see it boils down to what makes sense so in December Colby Covington will get his opportunity

against Leon Edwards that’s why those guys have not been matched up yet they’ve always kind of been holding them

off until there is no more option to to make sure we don’t need these guys in

November if Jones and steepe Fallout or fall apart because sometimes that whole

deal can be a little bit tricky and then what they’re gonna have is these two guys fighting in December and I believe

that Sean O’Malley will fight Marlon Cheeto Vera in the co-main event because

I believe that when you have these big stars that you have right now list it if

you’re gonna do a December pay-per-view which is traditionally one of the bigger ones you got a main event with not only one title fight but two so I’m going

Covington Edwards and I’m going O’Malley versus chitovera DC if that is the fight card that the

UFC could make for December 16th is going to be explosive we all know that

Leon Edwards is one of the best mixed martial artists in the entire world and he’s actually ascending we saw him get

better in London against the former Champion kamaru Usman and Kobe Covington is always game for a Throwdown always

game for a fight always shows up Immaculate cardio toughest Nails great

grappling his stand-up is getting better I’d be excited about that and who doesn’t want to see the Cheeto Vera Sean

O’Malley beef settled right these are two dudes who both think they’re better than the other guy but chitovera

actually has the win a win that Sean O’Malley does not count as a loss and so

if we can watch these two dudes go toe-to-toe on the same card with Kobe Covington and Leon Edwards we only have

one problem what fight is going to be last because if I had to guess don’t get

me wrong I know people love Kobe I know everybody understands how cold Leon is

but Sean O’Malley on any card from here it took forever if he’s defending that

championship belt that is going to be the main event it’s going to be the last fight of the night and when his walk out

song starts you will see that the crowd is pro O’Malley because after what I

heard in Boston and the way that they reacted to somebody that wasn’t even the champion as I’m sitting around watching

Timex commercials with a dude who is not the champion you already know where the

hype machine is and that height machine is behind the guy with the rainbow hair

RC very rarely does the light guy walk last if you got it usually if it’s a

lighter guy and a heavier the heavier guy makes the walk last that’s just the way it does there’s been one instance

where a championship fight was the co-main event and it was Miesha Tate versus Holly Holm they were on the

undercard when Conor McGregor fought Nate Diaz so you kind of get it but

people madly’s walking after Leon Edwards after Leon Edwards has just won

two fights over Kamara Usman that’s telling RC in regards to who Sean

O’Malley is and how he is viewed in the world and you know what you know what’s even crazier I can’t strongly disagree

with you because I do believe that that level that that dude might hit the curtain last but RC as we do every

single week my brother we gotta tap in oh we gotta Tap Out corporate Jake let’s get it all right guys Saturday night the

aforementioned Aaron blanchfield solidified herself as one of the best flyweights in the world DC tap in or tap

out this time next year Aaron is a UFC champion

because that would put me on the side of predictions and I can’t predict fights with my uh I’ve had the commentary table

I’m not willing to one of my greatest source of income to say that but I do believe that you they

should fight by this point next year I don’t know if she’s gonna win because corporate Jake as much as I love you as

much as I love ESPN y’all don’t pay me what the UFC pays me not to predict fights so I ain’t doing it

hey well listen I’ma tap in what you’ve seen from Aaron blanchfield one is

constant progression constant Ascension constantly improving and on the other

side of that she’s shown a toughness especially in these last two fights that lets you know where she is when it

pertains to some of the best in the division we’re going to see an Alexa Grosso Valentina chefchenko rematch and

I believe the winner of that fight has to see Aaron blanchfield and when they do she’s going to be good enough to come

home with the win corporate Jake I guess this Saturday in Paris Thug Rose named Eunice returns however this time at

flyweight so RC tap in or tap out the former Champion comes in the born Contender with a win in France

you know what I don’t believe that Rose number Eunice becomes a number one Contender at Flyway I don’t believe she

jumps Aaron blanchfield and I would have to think that the UFC is very weary of

the roller coaster Rose number Eunice rides with aggression rides with wanting

to compete and I believe that that would scare you all from someone who is more traditionally ready for violence every

time they step into the octagon RC that is such a great point I don’t

know how you know that at times it can be a little bit of a roller coaster ride because Rose will go off in she’ll

Garden her and Pat beef jerky bro they would make it at their house like they just sometimes kind of just chill and

when Rose wants to chill Rose wants to chill now I do feel

because if Rose does look great against monophiore she might jump her because of her star power but I believe the

hesitation would be in the fact that they don’t know if they would have Rose as readily available as she wants as

they want her to be all right guys recently MMA go Demetrius Johnson stated that it is easier to

become a champion in MMA than it is in boxing due to certain Fighters having holes in their game in mixed martial

arts TC tap in or tap out MMA is easier than boxing to become a world champion

okay so this is a bit of a layered one right I think that it’s easier in this

regard and it’s not going to stay that way for a long time because you don’t start MMA

as a kid most times you usually get a guy that comes with a specific

s everything else and as he improves in those other areas he’s good enough to become Champion me being a wrestler I

learned to strike enough to do Jiu Jitsu enough whereas in boxing these guys are fighting in that singular skill set

since they’re five six years old it doesn’t change so it’s hard to beat a guy in that One Singular skill set but

it’s like wrestling to win an NCAA title but if you go to

the UFC and everybody doesn’t wrestle it just feels a little bit easier whereas

in boxing to be world champion you got to beat that guy in that single skill set at the top of the sport to be a

World Champ so uh I I agree but also there’s like 10 champions in boxing so

maybe that is yeah I don’t know what DJ talking about yeah I was about to say there’s only one Champion per weight

class in the UFC so from that sense I believe it’s harder but the other thing that doesn’t really happen in boxing is

guys with seven losses get opportunities to fight for Championship or guys who

could be ranked sixth or seventh or fast fast track to getting an opportunity at

the championship title because of storyline I think some of those things are different and the other piece of it

is too if you are better at one specific skill than another guy he could be the

premier Striker but you’re the better Grappler the better wrestler if you can get him to fight in your style you can

also win that way whereas what we’re seeing with Bud Crawford and Errol Spence Jr if you are Elite yeah but a

step or a tier below where the other guy is it can get ugly and it could get bloody

RC you ain’t beating Terence Crawford like that’s the thing you ain’t beating Bud like guys yeah if you were here

since you were a little boy Bro think about this they said Arrow spit because he only started Arrow would brag

about starting the box at 15. but I’ve been boxing is a little boy and you can already see the difference in between

them it’s like you saw a guy that learned late opposed to a guy that learned as a little boy and it was just

a massive difference all right guys reports are circulating that Ronda Rousey is done with WWE and potentially

ready to make her return to the UFC at UFC 300. RC tap in or tap out Ronda

returning at UFC 300. only tap in if they give her a cupcake

if you give Ronda Rousey somebody who is really serious about mixed martial arts

is experience and understands it I don’t want to see it I tap all the way out on

this Ronda Rousey was a is a part of the reason a large part of the reason why

women have become so skills so skilled she became a superstar she showed what

can possibly happen if you become the UFC champion and you have Charisma you

have personality you have the look so now more women have begin to train in the disciplines that will allow you to

be a mixed martial arts Champion I don’t want to see Ronda Rousey come back and be worse than what we saw versus Holly

Holm or Amanda Nunes you know Ronda Rousey is not coming back

to fighting Ronda Rousey I know or I’ve heard wants to do stuff with her family and Rhonda doesn’t need to come back to

fighting this rumor was started by a girl that was fighting a few weeks ago because I think she was hopeful for it

Rhonda was a supernova Ryan she was exactly what remember the UFC did not want women fighting but how do you nice

Rhonda you couldn’t and she became an even bigger star than anyone could have ever imagined but I do not believe for

one second that will ever see Ronda Rousey inside the Octagon again all right guys last one Shawn O’Malley

solidified his recent title win in a way that will be with him forever a tattoo right on his forehead DC tap in or tap

out on suga’s new tattoo

tattoos like those tattoos anyway have them for the rest of your life so when you’re 70 years old

you got a sugar with a champion on the top of your eyelid so no I tap out man

look the kids kids probably love it because the kids love everything that Sean O’Malley does

but as a 45 how old am I 44 45 year old man

out on him winning that championship belt and then tattooing it on his forehead we all know who you are we know

you’re Sean O’Malley the sugar show in the champion I tap in on it

because it is that’s who he is like if you look at little Weezy we both from Louisiana has tattoo tattoos all over

his face Luigi has never or never thought about having a real job now he’s going to be on TV every Friday debating

on a sports debate show I think times have changed and yeah he’s going to look

funny when he’s 70 years old but he’s gonna be 70 years old and wrinkle like a

bad avocado anyway so it really doesn’t matter so sugar if you want to live that life get paid tell everybody that you’re

the champion go ahead and do it now what’s going to be bad is you go out there and you don’t win your next boat

and now you’re like God lead man got this tattoo for nothing

RC get a tattoo on your face and see how many of them shows you get a tattoo on that pretty face of

yours and see how many of them shows you gonna still be in here look it’s the money once again my brother I

gotta let you get back to work dog I gotta let you get back to work as I’m done I know you ain’t done guys find the

show every Tuesday on YouTube wherever you get your podcast is now on ESPN2 RC

enjoy the rest of your week my brother always fun tapping in with you my dog time guys

that’s Ryan Clark we will catch you peace

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started talking and then I heard um let Lizzy Jefferson no it’s my good

friend Phoenix carnivaling and I am ready Phoenix yes we have to catch up

man we have to catch up we do we have not caught up in a long time I just

watched speaking on your your state it felt like a stand-up special I see you up there and and uh it

was something on mixed uh mixed Heritage is that right yes did I that Apple

though oh and you’re 100 perfect and I want to talk to you about that after all

right after we talked to uh Calvin uh I’m his last name pronounce it for me

lawher look but I am not Irish so I may be completely butchering it that’s my

first question is going to be that how to pronounce that and that’s when I get them on here he’s in the waiting room

we’re gonna get him in now and then I want to talk to you I think you should be doing some stand-up comedy or something you are good on stage I was

getting a little nervous for you when you’re making your jokes about you know being an adult well I still read comics

and wear Snoopy socks and you know you’re saying some you know some nice little one-liners in there it didn’t

feel like I was watching like uh like a like a history lesson or something or learning something I felt like I was I

got a at a comedy show or something it was nice that is the nicest thing you’ve ever said to me oh get out of here

I’m so glad you sent it to me because I would have forgot hey now first hey

what’s up Warriors how do you say your name exactly that’s what I’m gonna ask that’s

right my name is not serum yes

terrible New York accents we have horrible accents yeah and I’m saying

cowling am I is cowling right not even close all right ready you tell me your name

please so the way I even described it all week even Irish people uh

you know the food Keel yeah and Kelly

Kelly that is easy now let’s do your last name

last name Keelan go yes

I locked Renee like lock a door easy

so what does it close again say it again

call me Dawn

keep killing you are undefeated yeah now when you are undefeated

it’s one of the two things in the UFC people like yo this guy has not lost he

hasn’t tasted defeat or has he fought enough of the right

competition let’s look all eyes are gonna be on you

yeah are we ready are we ready uh I’m gonna stay in the show this

weekend and pause wait till yeah this my goal and I don’t I think it’s already done like it’s uh it’s obviously gonna

happen is to get the most booze of a debuting fighter in UFC history and I

I’m pretty sure I’m close to doing that because I was two death threats from Parish people in the last day so I

think uh I’ve ruffled a few fathers over here but let’s see that you also I said how did you manage that

I just buy Twitter I don’t know I don’t even just by being myself I think I said I

for the most part French you haven’t made a shade and they just they get so easy just wind up I don’t

know but uh you said about the undefeated thing that’s cool and it helps my brand and

stuff like this but I’m only on the field as a professional I’m under fit an MMA like an amateur I

do not buy into it at all I know the importance of the Fate In This sport in

the cage and in the gym I know what you learn from it so it sounds you said the

same as he never bought on this because he lost in boxing kickboxing so uh it sounds good

brings confidence that I’ve never lost the professional but I absolutely have lost and I know the importance of it in

this sport you know let me ask you healing you’ve taken this

fight on short notice so I I have to ask yeah were you on the couch eating

biscuits or were you were you in the in the gym

I’ve done a full training camp it’s just I was on this card out of full training camp it’s just my opponent I took this

fight with opponent on Monday night um they just

reject the whole card okay an absolute rip yeah my guys I don’t know what I

don’t expect you don’t know yet don’t worry that’s all right you you were on this card yeah yeah yeah

man you got a camping you have a camping

don’t worry about that anything different for this Camp knowing it’s

your UFC UFC debut or hey man if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

feeling broke don’t fax a lot with a late level coaching calling her and over here in team carbon we’ve had many UFC

fighters recently Tom aspinel don’t tell Mike Grande I think a lot of guys get this UFC

contract and then they go I need to flood to America I need to do this I need to run up a mountain this

way do something just panic uh for our experience coaching staff

very experienced me in high passion moments so I just came off the back of a five five

cage Wars title fight where I fought a guy who wrestled internationally so I’ve had

to be honest firefight train Camp was probably hardest this is if anything it’s a bit more tailored for three five

Sprint and hit like well the original bike style before he pulled out on Monday night but uh that’s really

it um that’s no real change that no it says a

lot to me because knowing the way UFC sets up their fight cards they’re usually looking at the people who are opening the show to be some lady that’s

Dynamic to be somebody that’s like interesting that’s going to get people engaged so you’re opening the show and

what does that feel like what does that mean to you uh I bring eyeballs I pop buns and seats

uh let’s say over in America nobody knows me but anyone in the UK and I have

seen well uh well I’ve seen that through my case version I uh ruffle feathers but I don’t

even try to I don’t try something I’m not like you see some guys come up now like they’re trying to be Conor McGregor and I was just cringy I just be myself

and uh I like that yes so you don’t you’re not gonna say it uh killing

you’re not gonna say you know you’re not here to take part you’re gonna take over you’re not gonna say that when you win no no that’s just cringy as I’m by

me lucky I don’t know out there now but I do I’m not there I’m

not a friend what I think do you want me to say if the French people are

On The Edge at the minute it looks like to be honest what do you think about Taylor LA palace

like what do you think about this opponent it is just coming out of nowhere he is a southpaw I mean what’s

your assessment of the whole situation yeah oh Lisa Watson and uh

says support a set of it lost like a sport like it’s just a game experience you can’t pay for experience

and he has that over me that’s just that’s just the way it is he has that over me he’s been in here it’s very

weird to me that he was three and one the UFC lost his last fight then got dropped came early UFC beat Wilson has

obviously a Jitsu world champion fought for UFC title uh I know he’s back in it’s his last

chance as well so he’s coming to fight I absolutely know that he’s going to give it absolutely everything he has because

of it loses again he’s probably done I’m ready I said it whenever the flight

one of the FIFA three Monday night is playing Sugar Shane playing Mirage any

of them I don’t have a a number of your boy

for the last 10 15 years to the world so not there I don’t care a lot he’s good

he’s definitely experience he’s a different style opponent than I was I’ve prepared for but that

I’ll get him I like that attitude of whoever they give you yeah Hey listen you got to be doing something right with

the uh the matchmaking and the quality of uh of Fighters over there at cage Warriors

because uh you know I’m looking at the former Champions I mean Conor McGregor

uh you know uh Joanna Bisping all right now we have Ian Gary who came from there

he’s not a champion but he’s got a quite a name I mean yeah Arnold Allen from

hospital there’s some good ones crazy uh recently as depth I think you’ve got some guys coming a lot of haters because

they talk big party permanent but there’s been a bit of a drop but

there’s it’s just it’s like everything a lot of some good ones some bottoms and that but I’ve had some tough fights in

case Wars and some really really high pressure

but if nothing else kids George you get these like high pressure situations I

went in the anime territory and that’s gonna stand on this one you know so now it’s a good promotion it’s a good way to

it’s good again experience you mean hey Caitlyn what did you I’m sorry uh

Phoenix I was gonna ask Caitlin you know now that we’re getting to know him what did you start with did you start with

the old uh fisticuffs or just boxing or what would your first thing you started with with the martial arts so as a kid

my first martial art was boxing where I come from the player sport you will not

you ever heard Gaelic football no that’s

and that’s the other one you’re thinking of Harlan that’s the sticks

it’s like a bit like rugby but uh oh wow so I played that and then on the side a

box and then again the MMA as a teenager like 16 but uh that was like a box of

the box is very much on the side of that that’s that was my passion as a kid until I found MMA you know

yeah and then when you found MMA how did you take to the grappling did you did you like it or you like get off I want

to throw some punches so how’d you like it no I like to be honest I probably probably started like it more than that

it’s not true but uh as much as like even I love I

love Jiu-Jitsu I love wrestling love boxing like I don’t have a like I could watch

Wonder Boys Circle off on top of this fate the same way I could watch Islam macajev control your side pressure again

your new preference I love both you know I mean I love MMA I love the skill of the game love it

killing let me ask you now there’s more of a personality type question on a day off I

always like to ask the people on here what do you like to not MMA related man got a day off and I don’t want that

active rest where you’re hiking a mountain what do you like to do to unwind like a hobby

uh to be honest that I I really don’t do much honor me post out of the camp uh

uh a lot of paint again

are you watching anything on Netflix or you what’s are you watching a series

um are you watching uh a book anything

I can’t do it I try out counter like I get so bored I just stuck on MMA again I

can’t do it go a long walk in the forest maybe I’ll be hide it but I can’t I really I get bored after time and I was

just like on a fight or an interviewer a vlog or anything like that being honestly I don’t really do anything else

well wait a second a long walk in the forest that sounds very like an Irish thing to do I mean you got

a lot of forests I I don’t have a forest around me that’s awesome

Ryan thumbs up a Martin but I live in Liverpool train that at the weekend I’ll drive out of the city to go

find a Forest man I’m home tonight peaceful you ever do camping or anything

like that or no I don’t like the overnight check yeah

thank you I was gonna ask him what some that

you’ve talked uh that you think have pissed off some of the Paris fans that they’re so upset with you

I just made it clear that I don’t read French MMA at all

about it look well I came up in the Irish I’m sure

scene on there then come into the UK scene and it’s kind of well known that if you bring a french guy over he’s

going to lose

hey that’s his opinion right you want them just to drink their

red wine and chill out and just do their thing oh yeah even at the upper actual

answer the division or sorry the a french guy he’s like I don’t this guy’s a good cake Bossier house got good the

fans of hips absolutely but I’m very confident if I can put if I can paint his shoulders the mat it’s done I’ll get

us back and I’ll finish him I’m 100 I’m 100 positive you think he’s going to the ground you’re expecting this fight to go

to the ground yeah I I mean I I’m coming off a KO and my

boxing’s improved a lot and they’re calling over here our coaches but uh

I can care home Stefan K only like he can knock me clean out absolutely of

course you can this is fighting it’s a foreign

I think he uh I think the worst thing you can ever get in a fight is like surprised like there’s a mayor asking

Mike on the he’s a

I was surprised you know what I mean the first time Donald hit me a left hand I was surprised I think the first time I

locked my hands in this kid and get a grip on him he will should be surprised because there’s not one man in France

who can replicate my top rusher or my Grappler my hips no one can I’ve never felt it before I know that for a fact so

foreign

I’m not on Twitter tell me tell me man I like this people like to hear this

uh well I don’t always you know like blah like what before his last fight

like Daily Show I’m a big fan of Sean really like what a wedding completely nullified him like he’s just done it’s just an idiot of a guy

followed me on Twitter um I go to it it goes uh tell you I’m

not following back followed me and he goes he goes there I

thought you were you’re that boxer Callum Walsh Dana promotes oh yeah that’s right

I go sorry I thought you were Calum lost I don’t realize you’re in there

obviously that’s not true it was just a boss because I I mugged them and I go there I just replied them I was like all

right fair enough blood wait there wait it broke up when you

gave us the response say it again he’s unbearable but I was an idiot but I

was an idiot a good fighter but he’s unbearable but his two most famous things is they got crave when I poke and McGregor’s reaction video to him on the

on their set that’s his well he’s a good fighter like if he makes me get the I feel like it’s not there but he’s an

idiot oh wait I see this one thing Caitlyn before you go this is your UFC debut as

a professional fighter what does it mean to you to be in the UFC oh it’s literally everything no matter

what force but uh the tattoo got in the back I mean Act was the date I got my UFC contract got the numbers on it so

there this is from literally this weekend gonna be the amount of drowned to be

coming 10 years ago you know I mean it’s literally everything but it’s very much a case of job and here and fighting a

veteran and fighting the guy who’s coming to kill me in front of his hometown so being in like celebratory mode is

nothing like that that’s a job and harm but the first couple days was deadly and after the win it will be deadly but at

the minute I’m cutting weight and I’m it’s fight weeks I mean yeah yeah I

know exactly what you mean and I can’t wait for the fight man I’m looking forward to your debut I like your

attitude hey hey Keelan you got enough friends you could use some enemies I like that I like it amen lochran

hey dude listen hey remember us when you’re uh up in that top five and come

back and visit us all right anytime thank you very much having me

thank you very much

all right listen man I like meeting the new Young Talent you know what I mean tattoo of the date he got his contract

on his neck you know what I would say to that is when I’m this High when I’m high

I look in the mirror who is this guy when I sing rap lyrics

um that was Lil Wayne my friend he’s like on some musical theater right there thank you no no no Lee Thomas Dean

Thomas he kind of made me think about how I sing my rap it’s I do it like I’m in Broadway you know you do yeah

machine guns Kelly song called a a-y-e you know and then always win a big

hip-hop fan no I am this is true guilty as charged being the hip-hop band

but I like it because it’s a Machine Gun Kelly song it’s called a and the hook

the um not the hook the um the verse the verses with um with with uh Lil Wayne

oh is to die for I want you yeah Weezy

um listen so that we’re going to talk about the fight and again we have also a director actor director or just a

director actor director producer former boxer

how do you pronounce his name please so I’m gonna mess this up because all I see

when I look at his last name is Mandalore like the Mandalorian and like men me too I think it is Mandalore it is

it’s vandalore every time I’m gonna be like dude what

age did you remove your helmet he’s gonna be like what do you say I don’t think this guy knows what he’s

dealing with but uh listen he might be Amanda a Mandalorian fan but Mandalore

that’s so great I already did some boxing he made the

movie not Mamma Mia what am I thinking of my biggest wedding yeah he’s an actor best known uh

playing you know who he is let me tell you who he is you’ll you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about right away do you remember the episode of Friends where

Joey has like a twin or like a double yes that’s Joey’s double well don’t call

him Joey’s double because he’s on now hello Louis I’ll take care of his double

man no problem there hey guys are you a UFC MMA fan or

okay let’s start then yes I tell my friends I consider myself one of the biggest fans I mean up till

recently I didn’t realize I was paying dual accounts I was paying for the yearly and paying for the Fight Pass

monthly so I’ve invested you’re oh you’re in when did you start watching MMA

man from the first kick from the first number one like BC Dana I call it an A.D

Dana White purchasing it I from Gerard kick in the samoan’s team out of the ring till today Matt I’m a big

fan and uh I wish you had enough time to really get into it but yeah I hope to share with you my knowledge and love for

the for the sport and the whole organization is unreal man oh we love that we’d love that because we’ve

got fight cards to go over we’ve got the future of things that are meant to happen so you know and being Australian

we could talk about volcanovsky and all the amazing fighters from where you’re from so there’s a lot to cover here yeah

there is and I’m I’m really thrilled to be talking to you cats about some of this uh you know the world that you guys

existed and have created because not only am I fascinated in a fan it’s a huge part of my life when I’m not making

films it’s UFC all the way it’s yeah you know I used to be a traditional boxing

as you know uh I started I don’t know if you know I was a I used to fight a little bit when I was younger Etc so I

was a big fan always have been but it used to be boxing you know yeah then obviously the UFC came about and it’s

just wiped the floor with everything no one can deny it I’ve got a lot of Associates that were like maybe Die Hard

boxing fans in it come on this this whole UFC thing from the podcasts to the

to the evolution of the sport too I mean I don’t know where we’d be without it I don’t know what I’d be

doing when I’m not making movies man I love the whole world you know I’m I’m a person I’m Richie Lewis I don’t growing

up you know uh my father wasn’t really into sports he was into Bruce Lee and Kung Fu theater and I never I always

felt like an odd duck man like I didn’t I never well I don’t watch anything with a ball I’m not against anybody that does

I like people that are passionate about things and even if I don’t understand them or agree with them but boy oh boy

do I love the UFC before I became a participant I was like you watching uh

Gerard uh depa do take uh what’s his name uh Tuma well I forgot again

the sumo’s teeth out that’s what I’m like oh I actually did my first Jiu Jitsu lesson prior to that uh the year

prior in 1992 with horion and hoist Gracie and they were talking about the

Ultimate Fighting Championship but I kind of thought it was like wait a minute that’s Bloodsport man that’s not gonna happen I’m sure it happened so I

found this journey from the beginning too and when it when it burst on the scene way more of a spectacle than a

sport but boy did it get everybody’s eyes opened to what real fighting is

martial arts nerds because the way it was presented to us at that time was like a Taekwondo Guy versus jujitsu guy

versus Sumo wrestler and as like a martial arts nerd who watched like Bruce Lee and stuff you were like

and you know where it was like scrambled and you can see some of it because it was on pay-per-view and then we just got

addicted and then it grew and grew and grew it’s so funny today I was wearing my ufd shirt I was in the airport it was

eight o’clock in the morning I got hit on more than I would ever hit on and I was like I need to tell my single

girlfriends that if they want to attract guys just wear a UFC shirt yeah man

somebody wanted to talk to me about the UFC it was pretty amazing it’s such a

huge part of everybody’s life now it is you know I I have to say my pals and I we always talk about how in its simplest

analogy it’s like you know you consider old Rome and you consider the Gladiators Etc well it’s as reminiscent as it can

be in a modern world today right and you’ve got all these these incredible athletes and their stories on your TV

almost every week I mean it’s Priceless it’s fantastic and going back to what you you said earlier you know I

think it’s the I think it’s human nature I don’t know about you guys but I I’m sure the answer is yes growing up

because we’re fight fans obviously and we’re into this you know Mano Amano thing you always used to say with the

boys right who do you think would win out of someone so and so and so you know you’re always sizing it up who’s the

baddest in the school who’s the best bouncer in town and uh yeah and when the

UFC came out we got our answers which was amazing the the Taekwondo guy the wrestler and obviously the evolution is

what fascinates me which I’d love to talk about you know isn’t it funny like when we were younger like we’re old

enough now the kids growing up nowadays in their 20s and they never

because the Sports 30 years old they always knew what real fighting is when

we grew up you didn’t know that’s what was so fat I found so fascinating about the first uh

UFC and it’s it was the ground fighting where people did not you had an idea

everybody like you said who would win uh is that Steven Seagal stuff work what

about who’s Jeff Speakman like you find all these different things you know we love him too yeah but yeah

I met him like 15 years ago 10 years ago and he was like I love karate and

everything but I realized that jiu jitsu’s where that and he became like a jiu jitsu black belt and like oh yeah

yeah

the 80s some of the the 80s movies and you never knew what really worked you

know yes so then when we found out when the great when the early UFC came or

ufcs came out nobody knew how to fight on the floor and it was just it was just so like just

mind-blowing you know but now these kids now everybody grows up knowing yeah you

know my kid’s 14 years old and and and 12 and 10 they know how to fight better

at that age than I did as an adult like you know what I mean I get it man yeah and now even on some of these undercards

you’re looking at these these kids and I’m like there’s two world champions right there man I’m I’m actually do you

ever get like sad when you get two young up and coming Warriors and one of them has to lose and you’re like what a shame

I wish they met later on but that’s happening almost every undercard now where you’re like these guys are both

just amazing and obviously the younger generation the kids that you see online doing all these things martial arts

if the aliens invaded us now guys as opposed to 50 years ago when they cross

all that stuff and get to the the last line of defense I always say the UFC it’s changed it for the human race man

you’re gonna get up if you come here and you don’t know how to fight hopefully they got their carotid

arteries in the same place these aliens it’s funny actually he’s not going out

like carotid arteries on my ankle but uh no no yeah it is wild man it is

do you still do boxing and whatnot to stay in shape or anything or no you know man I do I I’ve always maintained some

form of training because I love it and I have to keep fit for my biz but to be honest the last five six years I’ve

invested a lot of time into my company and I’m doing a lot of filmmaking so I I’m not in the greatest shape But the

irony is you know I’m 50 plus now but for some reason my industry is accepting accepting me is kind of this you know

I’m doing a lot of action I’m kicking some ass 50s so you know you want to

make God laugh tell them your plans I’m getting the Hollywood 20 thinking I’m gonna throw down nothing 30 years of

drama so I’m getting in shape brother yeah I’m back in the gym yeah and I’m feeling

really excited about it it’s been a while now listen um ahead the serial

gone is the an event versus Sergey Spivak do you know about these gentlemen

oh no are you doing date about phoenixes this now you look zero

gone again people give him a lot of a lot of crap if there’s a fight with Jon Jones but let me remind everybody that

he fought Jon Jones Jon Jones ain’t your average everybody always moving up the heavyweight uh please don’t bring up Phoenix don’t

embarrass me about me picking him to win the way he did versus hero gone Jon Jones I don’t want to get embarrassed in

front of Lewis that I picked reading my submission in round one anyway my point

I I by the way Matt I agree with you I My Philosophy on that point bro is it’s

a life thing it’s you know sometimes correct me if I’m wrong when you’re in battle you know granted Jon Jones is the goat

with the grappling and you know that’s not a Serial department but sometimes you fall into an awkward position bro and you’re just done and I

think part of that is that granted I do believe John would have done what he’d done no matter what but correct me if I’m wrong it kind of just happened and

he’s you know it just he was there and it was done I don’t know if that makes sense no it does

he showed the back and he took the back if I remember correctly I believe that game plan was to get it

to the floor and the second that was that was matched up I remember and I had that they did a clip of it where they

went back to it because I go make a note of this I said round one submission because Cyril gone he would have been

the heavyweight champion of the world he it came down to the fifth round between him and Francis neganu and he made the

correction between the fourth and fifth round he should be the champion because he went out there and he took him down

so how did he blow it he laid down with a leg lock Francis got on top remains on top and

now he’s the heavyweight champion or what right because he should have stayed with his Basics to get out of that position he would have stayed on top

yeah yeah next four minutes he’s a champion Matt Sarah position before submission

I am a big fan of that saying I said yeah but it’s so true it’s like should

stay in the Forefront of your mind especially in high pressure situations zero God accepts going to his back a lot

because he’s a big guy to probably gets some submissions in the in the training room uh the second I seen that I’m like Jon

Jones is a sick rappler I know he’s bigger than Dan Henderson but he’s had a grappling match with him and then

strangled him he’s I seen his grappling and I think it’s extremely underrated he got DC down and who gets DC down so I

mean yeah you know I think style makes fights but having said that before that

Cyril gone especially on the feet man he’s got such he moves like this

yeah he’s light he’s basketball you know man it brings us to the equation right

correct me if I’m wrong because you know we go back to the Gerard kick right for example the evolution to me in this

sport is really cool because if you didn’t know any jujits which no one kind of did except the the Grapplers in the

beginning you’re you’re done it’s all right it was proven then correct me if I’m wrong I’m gonna bring up the

Marie Smith era Maurice somehow got good enough to negate takedowns right and he

ended up wasn’t either he won the title he won the UFC Championship didn’t he Marie Maurice

anyways the point is that people were getting it’s the evolution I find fascinating because then the the the the

ponchos that were real punches real Strikers got good enough to negate the takedowns and then there was an error

correct me if I’m wrong where that was happening where these cats were negating the takedowns then it got to the point

you get the the the the what’s his name uh kismat and these you know

yeah even the elite Strikers who learned in

the gate just can’t handle it so I love this Evolution and I thought with Ghana

and Jones and I actually don’t I can’t answer this question maybe you guys can I’m not sure if Cyril’s uh grappling

experience and how good he is but I assumed it was good enough to do that but obviously you’re against the man and

you know this guy the polar bears feedback it has like incredible high

level you know like Russian Judo his takedowns are clean fast just he

just transitions from one thing to the next in a scary scary way so I don’t know how quickly gone’s gonna be able to

catch up to someone at high level attack he’s working with people who can do that but maybe he then let me use my best

attribute to learn my in my better defense just like you’re saying with and start to you look at how the narrative

has changed because when we first were talking about God we were like oh my God he moves like a 155 or he’s got the best

striking of this Division and now we’re like nervous biting our nails for him because he blocked I was two out of

three both off of like submissions and being dominated on the ground and only an

idiot doesn’t work on that with this type of narrative so who knows yeah if

he breaks if he beats Sergey then we’ll start talking about him again like

all right yeah yeah can’t deal with a grappling you know a you know heavy a

grappling um opponent a guy who’s heavy in the grappling he could deal with that so he has to slow he has to show that

he’s able to deal with that because he’s not going to be boxes so I’m excited I’m excited to see

what’s going to come about with this you know and now he’s a big strong man and he can fight and uh yeah when is that by

the way that one Saturday Saturday oh okay it is this Saturday yep and it’s early because it’s in France so I think

it’s like in the afternoon which I like because I’m old

how do you pronounce that last name firot firot oh he’s talking about the

French girl versus Zombies yes now this this the French girl is 5-0 in the UFC

10-1 overall and she’s fighting for a champion she’s fighting Thug Rose so

you know so this this is something to watch for the sex but it’s co-main you know what I mean narrative here is

interesting because this is Rose going up from 115 to 125. and this these are two girls that have

excellent striking and the French girl um is very aggressive and has knocked

out power Rose is saying like she’s walking around at 135 she’s being muscle and that that last Carl that’s part of

the fight she admits it was really boring but she says the first time she really really had a hard time cutting

weight like she had bags underneath her eyes she looks sunken in so she probably felt like it was time something

sometimes spiders do much better when they go up you know but it’s also you don’t know

what your opponent cuts down to you don’t know how much bigger they really are so what you know I don’t know

we’ll see we’ll see you know it’s a whole puzzle that white thing man it’s a whole you know it’s a little game in

itself it’s a whole little fight within itself isn’t it yeah wait yeah think about how much harder it is for

all of us to lose weight as we’ve gotten older right like as you get older just stuck more and more it’s harder yes

I’m on trt I’m pissing dirty uh Phoenix so I don’t know about that trt Lewis but uh

I don’t know but tell me please it sounds good uh I get testosterone I don’t do it in a

back alley I go to a place with doctors restoration Men’s Health I get a shot by

hiney they check my levels so you get some testosterone I feel I’m 49. man I

feel strong I’m on the I taught the 7 A.M this morning I’m on the match strangling my 20 year olds I love it I

don’t recommend it for you Phoenix because it gets you a little hairy so I don’t think you

by the way I appreciate something I got I got the text from my peep saying you’re going to do this thing tonight

with the world famous comedian Matt Sarah and I went ah oh he’s doing that now but obviously you are and you’re

killing it very good oh my goodness I’ve been watching the shows very very impressive the dry chocolate I’m just

silly hey I’m hearing it here that you became friend with friends with some UFC fighters who are you friendly with

besides myself in Phoenix um I just did a wonderful little flick with uh Cowboys throney and Rampage

Jackson got to know them pretty well uh it’s called three days in Malay I’m not promoting here I’m just saying no we

know I I I’m I’m an actor too so I know what I’m dealing with I see yeah exactly yeah yeah it’s already out people know

it so yeah Cowboy came to Thailand with uh Rampage and we shot a really cool World War II movie low budget real indie

film we did it in a really very minimal amount of time but their performances are beautiful they were real nuanced and

we we had a lot of you know Kick-Ass action and it was fantastic and then I ended up doing a follow-up with Rampage

so we spent another couple of months in Thailand together we become Pals so there’s a couple of Legends that I got

to know pretty well and work with I’ll ask you this right because performance whether it’s in the Octagon or if it’s

um behind the camera performance is performance so what are some things you take away that are similar performing in

like a physical Way by fighting and performing in like an acting way or an artistic way what are like the takeaways

that you need across the board you know it’s a good question because my first acting teacher God bless her the

late John at alhante she she know I was a fighter when I came from Australia I was just boxing I wanted to be the World

Champ that was it I was in LA for about four years just boxing but I was sitting in a class and I never forgot she said

you know you boxers or you athletes she said it’s the same kind of focus like when you go into a fight there’s always

a little nerves right that you want to be able to control them but you want to be a little bit angry and you want to be

a little bit ready but you still want to be a little bit calm and you kind of have to I guess mix all these emotions

together but she said something that I never forgot and I agree with it’s on the same number it’s about six or seven

on the adrenaline scale every time they yell rolling I’m nervous just like I’m about to do a round of spiral or

something you get that same butterflies because you don’t want to get exposed in the acting field you’re not getting

physically hit but it’s an emotional destruction if you suck right it’s horrible so it’s a similar I guess

adrenaline point if that makes sense that’s one similarity and the focus I

think is applicable to athletes and acting that’s why there’s a lot of good crossovers I think

yeah yeah you know what it’s funny you said that because a lot of these actors are Fighters I should say when they get

done with fighting some of them you know they they test that the acting out you

know and I think it’s part of what you said they like that little that little tickle in the belly you know what I mean

yeah because

the need to perform to challenge yourself to put yourself out there I think that’s right

deuce in front of somebody I don’t care if it’s chess for instance and I was going to tell you about this to uh

Phoenix my 14 year old my Angelina right she been doing dance since she’s three

years old and she’s doing some Jiu Jitsu who’s just literally recently a few months ago she walked

away from dance me and my my wife were like listen are you sure and she’s like

I want to pursue the martial arts I enjoy this I’m making the decision

hey double gold the other day at the Naga she went three competitions all

gold medals she is it’s so it’s it’s amazing I see myself in there but my point is this

when it came to competition her very first Jiu-Jitsu competition I’ve been around man her nerd

totally fine man totally fine and I’m and I mean I was and I’m and I’m trying

to think about this and I it has to do with the dance she has been on stage in

the spotlight having to know these choreographed how many different numbers and solos and Duos and and she had to do

this for how long since she’s a kid she’s used to being under those lights whether it’s dancing or Jiu Jitsu you

know what I mean 100

agree and again um do you recall these for example you know you’re in the gym growing up and

you see these cats who are just hitting the bag and sparring and they look like world champions but then you put them

under the performance anxiety which is the lights camera action with the crowd and it’s it’s that it’s time in other

words I always say to my pals now it’s it’s not your time you’re not going to the gym to spar when you feel like it

now there’s you know it’s that performance anxiety so I agree 100 and correct me if I’m wrong a lot of those

cats that look great in the gym for example you know they can’t perform and it’s got nothing to do with their talent it’s

just that thing that your daughter has that she’s used to that yes yes it’s it’s dealing with that

and also just performance anxiety there’s a lot of tough guys there’s a lot of tough guys who are a dime a dozen

and some guys like man this guy’s the toughest guy over I seen him do this and that a lot of these tough guys that were

talking about Street tough guys yeah yeah you dig them anybody’s tough with a bump on the shoulder in this In the Heat

of the Moment yeah you take that same guy who’s beating up this guy you take that same guy now you’re meeting this guy the one you’re about to fight now

you’re meeting in a week from now in front of 50 people I guarantee that

same tough guy most of them won’t even show up do you know what I mean so yeah In the Heat of the Moment it’s quick to be a badass but yeah you got time to

dwell on it think about it the what ifs what could happen who’s watching yeah you know what I mean and yeah I think

yeah that’s a big decider in a lot of fights isn’t it man I mean it really is because it’s it’s just experience yeah

it’s pressure so yeah I think we like pressure though in some way shape or form right and improve you teach

yourself I mean as a director like when you first started directing that’s that’s the most amount of pressure the

person on set how do you deal with that because now everyone’s coming to you when you’re directing

I gotta tell you you said it and uh wow I mean being an actor’s hard enough when they call you on the big shows and

you’re on the big stage and it’s real serious and real quiet and they’re like go and you know that there’s a million eyes just watching the

Monitor and it’s pressure but yeah I mean Mel Gibson’s to all the big directors talk about it how when you

direct it’s it’s a different kettle of fish because it’s all about you and you’re you’re the captain you’ve got a

ship of sailors and you’re going into war and any mistake you make you’re accountable so yeah man I’ve been

I’ve been scared to come out my trailer in my first couple of big films where I’m like got you know five six hundred

people waiting outside and the crew and everyone and as soon as you go out it’s like what do we do as you’re walking to

the setup and then you get there and everyone’s like what’s up it’s pressure yeah that was a big turning

point in my life but I got to tell you in the in the infamous words of Jim Morrison he says I didn’t know I could

sing until I tried it and I Got Confidence it’s confidence man when you believe you can do it and I think it’s

the same as a fight if you go in there with love having a good time and you believe then you got a good shot yes

fun first of all I’d like to have you back for sure anytime man hey Louis

there’s a lot of guys who come in and they say oh yeah they’re a fan and then they come on they’re like yeah I know uh Conor McGregor they don’t know anybody

dude you’re my friend you you are a fan the second you mentioned uh the the Sumo

getting his tooth knocked out by uh uh uh you know I I knew you were okay

um this is what I want to ask you you’ve been an actor you’ve been a director which which do you prefer

go I think I’m selling my site

yeah filmmaker I’m I’m setting aside some directing right now yeah I’ll take the acting I love it I love the craft

but I was born to make films and I knew that when I got to Hollywood because I’m an illustrator bro I I’ve been an artist

my you know my friends call me a Renaissance on because I’m in the wrong era so actually I want to

do a portrait of both of you I promise you in a month or two from now but but illustration and the Arts of my

life so now I’m incorporating my storyboarding into my filmmaking and working with actors so I think the

passion is that brother to answer your question thanks for asking interesting so we now being that you’re an artist when you have a movie coming up do you

oh no or do you you know how they do this there like like for instance

I see your last name Mandalore I watched a Mandalorian at the end they showed like this at the end of the the show

yeah concept art yourself or am I just no I

do no I do most people you have to hire these artists to do that so ultimately ultimately not everyone does it this way

but I like to because I enjoy the process and I just roll like a steam train when I’m on Set uh comic

books are more or less storyboards you know yeah so I I was uh I was almost an apprentice for Marvel comic coming from

Australia you are our new best friend Lewis Man the War please hey man nice to

meet you and please come come on again soon bro in person guys do you ever do the

in-person podcast or it’s always like this no I know what we did before the pandemic and then I can’t ruined things

and it’s it’s so funny like we were said before I was on the Rogan show and I was talking about what I do and and he was

like don’t you think you’re you’re missing something not having the people in studio I go too Don’t Rock the

boat I go right now I’m at my house I pull up a green screen this morning I was at my school teaching my

arm locks and my kimoras so I like that I don’t got to go to the city but I do I

I do eventually want to do it in the house thing again I miss it too are you in New York or are

you in L.A where are you Louis oh me uh right now I’m in a hotel room in Bulgaria and tomorrow yeah this I’m in

the hotel room I’m flying to Thailand tomorrow that’s why it worked out tonight because I know I’ve been trying to do this so so I live in LA yeah

primarily I split my time with Europe and uh yeah so where are you guys at both East Coast yeah yeah yeah she’s in

Manhattan she’s in New York and I’m in uh I’m in Long Island New York you know and and Lewis if you’re ever out there I

have Sarah BJJ that’s my Jiu Jitsu Academy I know you got the fisticuffs I

will give you I don’t know if you had a Jujitsu lesson before but I will give you another one you will be strangling

me I’m not threatening you but if you’re ever around this area please come on in well I I I swear on my name I will take

you up on that even if it’s just a say hello but I want to come and get choked out by you at least once met Sarah

Lewis Lewis Manila thank you so much come on again we’ll talk again soon Phoenix a pleasure matter pleasure

thanks for having me guys I just friended you on I just requested you on Instagram so it’s definitely understand

stalker just kidding I’m gonna do that too I’m going to be please do that man pleasure ladies and gentlemen and thanks

for having again I had a really good time thank you Lewis

Danny that was fun I love when they’re fans like that I love them

first of all I’m gonna What would I’m gonna follow them once we’re done of course if I do that now I got 80d I’m

not gonna be able to do it listen once again where could people watch your your speaking on your mixed

Heritage where can they watch oh um it’s on YouTube if you just Phoenix carnivales speak is the name of the

there was like a guy who worked for Ted Talk he broke off from Ted Talk and he does these speaking engagements for like

everybody you could like once a month it’s a different topic so I didn’t choose the topic but they asked me to do

it I didn’t choose a topic no listen I’m glad you I’m glad you did it I thought it was going to be something like

like I don’t know I don’t know what to expect to be honest but then when I watched it you cry you you like I like

to get the humor in there because it doesn’t make like your it’s not a gloom and doom and a poor me thing you had

some things or funny oh everything’s a a ride I gotta The Stereotype they’re making references to JLo and you’re

funny no you did some really good stuff in there I liked it a lot um and uh it made me think that I think

you should try I know you’ve done acting before you know but amen

do you ever think about it I did stand up 20 years ago I did stand up right out

of high school 20 years ago okay like 15 years ago I’ve been right

out of high school and um and it was going pretty well and then I got a fitness job and I was working and

getting up at six in the morning so I stopped doing it and um you know and then I wanted vacuum and stuff like that

but I’ve always loved it I just like kind of chickened out after a while because I know people like Jim Norton

and people who are so good that you know I was like but the speech was great and it was such a great experience and I’m

so glad you watched it and you enjoyed it and you know being I’m half Puerto Rican half Italian and um so it’s it’s

always weird that mixed you know like nobody knows what the hell I am it’s a nice big so it’s a good match I did yeah

Hey listen there was a mix of different um I was trying to segue into oh there’s a

mix of different Fighters last night worst segue ever really quick on the date of white Contender series they

can’t all be out of the park uh you know listen some guys three guys got the contract you know uh these other two

guys they they it’s not that they did bad like Marco Tulio I felt bad for

because you know he he won but uh you know you know he’s still young and he’s

gonna have his chance again he’s a young kid but uh they didn’t think he was quite you know David he was quite ready

enough and uh the same goes for um yes that’s the one that kid yeah he’s

he’s a young kid he’s 24. and he said he think time’s on the side you know what I mean but it’s good that he got to win

but again uh Okie who said he felt like a Zulu Warrior he looked apart uh that

was excellent uh round one knockout beautiful yeah

first of all it is a key lock thank you thank you Jake the Jake the producer

thank you Jake the ginger this I don’t like when they announced that it was done by Kimura thank goodness

thank goodness I didn’t just hear about what happened and then and then tried to

Wing this and play and didn’t actually watch it because I watched it and I’m like oh this Thomas Peterson I heard he

won by Kimora somebody messaged me too and oh big guy he’s doing some more he’s like oh

whenever you’re going for a shoulder lock okay if the Palm is up Palm is up like I’m waiting that’s an

Americana or a key lock okay if the Palm is down and you’re getting it behind the

head behind the back and then behind it to touch the head that is a Kimura

no no that like simple simple breakdown I think everybody will remember that

forever well I mean there’s a lot of times that if you ever get confused I would just say I just say it nice and

simple I’d say Phoenix I just comorita man

I put his arm behind his back I held it there until he tapped Phoenix anyway

listen I just I sing these songs to help me remember I don’t

know do this we have fun we gotta go really quick I’m enjoying

ahsokas here I’m enjoying it now let me tell you you can tell me your thoughts after

um I don’t know if you’ve seen it are you up to date on it I only watched the first episode I’m gonna watch the other two now listen I know we are somewhat of

adults but have you ever seen and I know Jordan if anybody wants to make fun of me George Saint Pierre watches it too

but they go yeah I can’t watch a kid’s cartoon for 20 hours all right this is what I’ll tell you to do go to YouTube

and you put in 10 minutes rebels in 10 minutes or something like that so it

sums up the whole story in 10 minutes and it does a pretty good job of it so then what in this show Ahsoka uh with

the great Rosario Rosara Rosario Rosario Dawson Rosario Dawson

uh it is it’s basically a direct

continuation of this of this cartoon and all these

and and some of these and I say cartoon it is a cartoon it’s animated but there’s some of those

um episodes that were a little dark yeah people will get killed and so I like it it’s not all just Wookies the problem

with Rebels which is why I tuned out of it too is that the the animation is very

Kitty the stories yeah but the answer is very blocky Disney

yeah like that’s that’s the problem yeah it’s a little bit like that but watch

that 10 minutes it leads into it I’m enjoying the series I like it there’s three episodes

you know hey man I know everybody’s into women power and all that I got daughters

it’s great but hey dude you can throw in some kick-ass dudes once in a while too guys calm the

down please

you know right right um anyway uh Phoenix what else tell me I

just want to hear your thoughts on Indiana Jones and then I will let you go now this is my thoughts on it

I did not see it okay you know what I didn’t see it I heard it was so

but I don’t know how did you like it I think I’m biased because it’s like if

you haven’t seen an old friend in a really long time and you’re just excited to hang out with them but you’re at a restaurant with food sucks

yeah this is what I know I got you this is what I want to ask you because with

Indiana Jones I loved Indiana Jones I love this second one when I seen the

third one as a kid I wasn’t crazy about that night at the end I thought it was a little hokey but I did still it is still

a good movie it’s a good one yeah the third one I believe it should have ended as a Trilogy I thought it was great

um when they did the fourth one I thought it was between

and whatever’s worse than yeah and vomit I did not like it I

did not like when you had Shayla on on on Vines

what am I looking at so bad I did not I think George Lucas is out of his mind I

think Stephen Segal Stephen Spielberg was like I don’t want to do aliens and

he’s like no let’s do aliens but anyway I think they jumped the gun on that one the the crystal Scrolls whatever there

was how was that one compared to that one it’s better than that one that’s good

it’s better than that one but do they make him be a wimp is he a little weak I

know he’s like Wimpy’s just old

this is what I’ll tell you the first 30 minutes I I was like

that I was like super happy and then the story gets oh it goes all over and then there’s moments of the

story like you don’t need to be here and you should just stop and just just leave me with Indy that’s all I want yeah but

that’s what I’m saying there’s moments of it that you’re like this is great and then there’s moments of it where you’re

like like the appetizers were awesome with the main course was not good

well this show was sure a filling

yep no I like it it was a dad joke but

listen I got a lot of dad jokes because I’m a dad Phoenix this was fun I had a

blast catching up with you I want you to you’ve been doing you’ve been training or no you rolling not as much as I

should we’re gonna we’re gonna talk off there I got to get you back on the mat somehow yeah somewhere yeah all right and that

will happen uh listen I I mean shoot I I hope Jimmy gets sick

more often I don’t know we gotta make this happen again even if you’re a third mic in here because it’s been too long

or else you come out you do some Jiu Jitsu in my school we’ll catch up then we should we should

what do you want to plug anything else you want to plug buddy nothing to plug but follow me on uh the insta and when I

have something what is your spell it spell it to me Phoenix p h o e n i x

carna Valley c-a-r-n-e d as in Victor a-l-e that’s it easy to find Phoenix

Carter Valley so much fun uh I’ll probably talk to you later thank you for

stepping up and jumping in on here and we’ll talk more listen I like the

way you brought up all your pop culture references in your uh yeah what was it called again tell me

what’s called again it’s called speak speak Heritage with just my name so it yeah Phoenix speak yep awesome hey buddy

we’re gonna catch up even this was a long episode but it was fun yeah hey we’re gonna catch up even more soon okay

buddy goodbye everyone bye everybody

what’s up guys

do any kind of a rarity tonight with

only uh three or five contracts given is

that uh I don’t know is that a like

sending a message or anything or

thinking like I gotta tighten up this

thing a little bit no no message at all

listen I I said it how it is if you come

in on Tuesday night this is that I’m so

when the next fight’s starting

I flip the page

Thomas Peterson

uh he’s he’s got seven Knockouts he’s

seven and one this is all I know and I

know it as you’re walking in and

whatever that’s it

this this doesn’t mean anything to me

because obviously you’re good enough to

be here they chose you the matchmakers

whom I have confidence in and the guys

that I listen to brought you here

show me and everybody right now who are

you what do you got come make me make me

say I gotta have them in the UFC tonight

right that’s it if you don’t do that

then

you know it doesn’t happen tonight like

Laura was saying it’s not like it can’t

happen down the road just not happening

tonight right uh all right let’s ask

about the people that you got in

balajioki started the night off uh would

he be kind of the MVP of the night

wow I would say the main event was the

MVP of the night but um obviously okie’s

a a close second I mean you know he beat

a Muay Thai world champion kickboxing

champion and did it striking and uh you

know listen he was a two to one underdog

nobody told him that you know what I

mean he was he didn’t get the [ __ ]

memo he went out there and fired away

and anything can happen in a fight you

see it every Tuesday in this place two

to one three to one four to one dogs

winning because they want to win

the kind of example you would give to

people would be like hey watch that

performance because I mean he did it was

just all out aggression like we’re not

we’re not trying to save anything for

the third round every performance is

different there’s there’s been decisions

that I’ve taken guys it’s not like oh

you got to come in and finish

spectacularly and you got to be a three

to one dog it depends on the fight it

depends on how you fight it depends on

you know there’s a lot of different

factors uh into how I decide whether you

should be here or not or whether I want

you here or not I did want to ask you

about Thomas Peterson as well as the

heavyweight um

you know obviously heavyweight’s tough

It’s just tough to find quality

heavyweight right is it is it a little

an easier bar of Entry I guess to get in

or where was he a guy that you just were

blown away by tonight Thomas

Total Domination he absolutely dominated

the kid that was on The Ultimate Fighter

and you know has exp you know he’s got

13 fights he’s ten and three

he dominated him finished him and

yeah no he did he earned a shot tonight

he deserves to be here and when you look

at the kid he’s 28 he’s in his prime

he’s eight and one with seven knockouts

and perform tonight the way you would

want him to perform against the guy with

uh I mean he was a big dog but he’s got

13 fights and he’s ten and three so yeah

and then last last you got the main

event because I said maybe Bellagio was

the MVP but you think maybe Carlos was

the one that stood out the most tonight

100 percent

how smooth that guy was the way he moved

the combinations that he was putting

together how relaxed he was um

first round he landed 70 percent of his

strikes UFC averages 44 percent

pretty much everything that guy threw

landed nasty that that that that that

kid put on about as good of a

performance as you could ever put on

tonight as far as I’m concerned a lot of

these resilience we haven’t talked to

him yet but a lot of Brazilians have

been coming through this season and

continue series obviously they’re

looking to November in the show in

Brazil and saying please put me on there

I want to fight there do you know I mean

has that card started filling up yet or

will you try to get these Brazilians on

that card yeah listen if he wants to be

on that card I’ll throw him on there

we can we can always got room for one

more so if he wants it I’ll do it I dig

it uh and then let me ask you about

Timothy Quan but like you have that

where you said guys sometimes are just

too young right so what do you recommend

a guy comes to you he puts on a great

show

too young what’s the recommended path

for guys though let me get Sandy’s too

young man

he didn’t show me tonight

Bo nickel fought here I mean with a

bunch not much experience you know the

list goes on and on of guys that I’ve

taken with with no experience I just

didn’t see it from this kid

you know I didn’t think he had the power

you know what I mean his power wasn’t

fast fast is lightning stood on the

outside fought a good fight is

definitely a talented kid

um he’s just not I just don’t think he’s

ready for the UFC you get in there and

and the Canadian kid was [ __ ] durable

man durable

kept pressing forward wanted to win

didn’t come in here just to [ __ ] lay

down and go home and you know get beat

um tough durable guy but yeah Timmy just

didn’t have it tonight a couple outside

of tonight I haven’t seen you in a

couple weeks I didn’t want to get the

latest update on Conor McGregor you know

he likes to mess with us all he sent out

a tweet uh that had like a an alleged

Fight Pass graphic of him and Chandler

in December end of year what can you

tell us about the latest on on Conor is

is he in the mix for that December I

don’t know how that got out or whatever

it wasn’t from Fight Pass

my team was telling me it was an AI uh

it looked fake yeah

it wasn’t real yeah I mean obviously if

if that was the case you you would have

heard it from us first oh we’ve seen

Billboards you’d have got a report from

me on Instagram

um is he in the mix though for December

we’re trying to figure out because

sometimes he says he can then he says he

can’t it’s even Connor is even in

discussion for December

I have no clue we’ll see how this plays

out nice I do ask you about uh Sean

O’Malley as well obviously new champion

star what can you tell us about metrics

or just information you may have about

where he stands already as a star well

we could talk about fight uh uh the

contender series when he fought here he

had the biggest numbers

on the contender series you know the

first however many seasons it was

Millions he had millions of views

um so we knew right away and we started

to move them that way

and uh

he was obviously you know the gate in

Boston was the biggest gate ever in the

history of the Boston Garden that wasn’t

the Celtics finals right

and uh it was it was the biggest uh

bantamweight championship of all time

pay-per-view wise so

um yeah I saw there was some talk about

me Whispering his ear you’re going to

make a lot of [ __ ] money

he’s going to make a lot of [ __ ]

money

that’s a fact

you have a kind of a leader in the

clubhouse of what’s next

mean obviously Cheeto one that night you

got my job out there the last two days

uh yesterday and today we have put

together fights all the way up into

March of next year yeah

care to let us know with that yeah when

I’m ready I’ll let you guys know guys

last thing I want to ask and I don’t

know how involved you are in this but

there was a report that came out today

of a letter that you guys sent along

with the NBA in the NFL to the U.S

government about cracking down on piracy

and getting the DMC act updated to to

immediately bring down strings just

curious how much involvement you have in

that what you can tell us about that

we’ve been cracking down on piracy for

years I’ve been talking about piracy for

10 12 13 years

um we’ve always taken a strong stance on

piracy and we always will yeah

hi Dana yep hi um I’m just curious you

know we just saw O’Malley win the title

first or second I guess from Contender

series is there somebody that you think

will be the next champion from Contender

series well it’s funny to say that

because

um

you know the war room that we have at

the office when we make all the fights

there’s a uh so on the wall there’s

different stickers that go beside

um the fighters names so that we know

where they came from Red is is The

Ultimate Fighter

um blue is the contender series and I

think yellow is looking for a fight and

if you look at the whole wall it’s all

blue I mean the whole wall is blue this

show has created

um so much talent from you know top 15

ten five to a couple world champions now

so

um this show has become you know not

just something that we love to do every

Tuesday night but it’s become a very uh

vital part to you know the organization

and to matchmaking

posted about your home in

home and trying to get in can you tell

us about that experience what that was

like do you [ __ ] think that you’re

going to break into my house and there’s

no cameras at my house you [ __ ]

idiots I mean it’s just it’s crazy I

don’t know I’m assuming the guy was

breaking in to try to rob the house and

uh my sister and her husband and some of

his friends are up there visiting right

now and uh yeah the guy came up and

tried to kick the door in a couple times

and then noticed the camera was there

tried to rip it off and rang the

doorbell

freaked out and ran away and uh

they call you know my guy who who

handles my house up there called me and

said that uh you know he’s calling me at

4 30 in the morning his time I’m like oh

something going on up there so I

answered the phone and he said somebody

just tried to uh

to kick your door and and Rob your house

or do whatever we got video footage and

we’re the police are going to post it in

the morning I said yeah [ __ ] that send

that to me right now

yeah that dude woke up and was famous

the next morning and uh you know the the

Levant uh Sheriff up there

made sure that they they had him within

a few hours so

um yeah

we got him it looked like he had a knife

in his hand or was it something else in

his hand I don’t know it looked like he

had something blinking in his hand or

flashing or I don’t know if he had a

weapon or whatever but yeah

listen

whether you’re in Vegas or anywhere else

don’t [ __ ] around around my house good

things are not going to happen to you

around my house I promise you that so

yeah

we also just saw a Korean zombie retire

I wonder if you could tell me a little

bit about him what he means to you in

the UFC oh the zombie yeah yeah yeah I

mean that event was so badass and the

way uh the people reacted to him

retiring and to him losing

you know he’s one of those special guys

he’s very special man the zombie has you

know not just the Korean fans but fans

all around the world you know

everybody’s got a zombie I had a zombie

t-shirt for for a long time too and he’s

been so fun to watch and he’s such a

good human being such a good person

um I’m happy for him and his wife and I

I I wish him all the best in the next

chapter of his life

and you touched on a little bit about

maybe who’s next for O’Malley I’m just

wondering what what is the likelihood

that it would be in Rob I know that

there is some controversy of what him

not wanting to to fight he wants aljo to

have the rematch what’s what’s your idea

for that

everybody in this room and everybody

watches this video knows how I feel

about this [ __ ]

yeah

um

yeah I hate it

hate it and uh if that’s why did you

even get into this sport if that’s your

mentality in the way that you think I

don’t even want the title I don’t even

want the championship we’re friends

we’re this we’re that

this is not

you can be friends with everybody in

this business there’s a lot of nice

people in this business a lot of good

people

this is not about friendship this is

about finding out who the best in the

world is and if you don’t

want to find out who the best in the

world is this is not the place for you

you should be somewhere else there’s

plenty of places to fight where they

don’t give a [ __ ] what you do

doesn’t work here

and I know you said you have fights

booked all the way through March is one

of those the women’s bantamweight title

um we got lots of fights I literally

Drew up a list this big

um in all these places if things play

out you know what’s crazy about this

[ __ ]

every year

I say how do we beat last year how do

the fights any get any bigger than they

did last year then we sat in the room

yesterday with

um you know obviously the matchmaking

side and the uh the op side on where we

decide which cities countries and states

are available to go and then they all

come in and they they funnel them

through me and I decide where we’re

going to go

so if things play out the way that they

did yesterday and today and and the way

that I’m thinking because there’s if

this happens we do this if this happens

we do this

and we’re going to have some fun next

year and go to a lot of new places that

we’ve never been before

and uh go to go to a place I’ve been

talking a lot of [ __ ] about maybe twice

next year

so it’s going to be fun I’m looking

forward to it I know I didn’t answer any

of your questions

but that’s my answer thank you yes you

know right over here

uh talking a little bit about tonight

when it comes to seeing the talent and

you’ve been at this for a really long

time whether it’s tough whether it’s

Contender series what is it after all

these years that makes you so excited

about the Next Generation and finding

that new talent to build the UFC well

one of the things that I that I notice

is that every like you said generation

of talent just keeps getting better and

better and more well-rounded and more

athletic

um and obviously there’s you know the

sport is so much bigger and now we’re

really

was talking about Mexico yesterday too

which is a bit you know obviously Mexico

is a big

um my big plans for Mexico over the next

couple of years and we’re opening the pi

in Mexico

and

my vision while I am here

I don’t know if this will continue when

I leave it probably will not but my

vision is I want to open as many of

these pis as possible it’s it’s

reinvesting back in the sport and these

things cost

tens of millions of dollars to build

operate uh you know

um

fill with employees and and Fighters

and I want one I want this one in Mexico

we got one in China we got one in Vegas

we’ll have one in the Middle East and I

want one in Africa these are the these

are the spots that I’m I’m looking at

right now and as as we go into these

different territories

and and open these pis you’ll have the

these

if you look throughout the history of

fighting you go to places where living

is hard and people have hard times and

people come up with rough upbringings

that’s where you find some of the

baddest people in the world and

you know as we get into these markets

and start cranking not every kid that’s

going to come out of there is going to

become

a fighter or a world champion

but some will become coaches and Jiu

Jitsu instructors and striking and who

else but they’ll be involved in the

sport some way somehow and some will

just come out fans

um and and

we’re going to continue to do this while

I’m here and spend this money and

reinvest this money back into the sport

um

like I’m telling you guys next year all

these different countries are going to

go to

um you know

that’s my my like three year plan right

now I don’t even know if I answered your

question either but

I go off on these [ __ ] rants no you

absolutely did I appreciate perfect uh

the other one for me Max Holloway you

talked about Korean zombie I’m just

curious what you thought of his

performance

Max Holloway yes we talked about him

today too in the meeting obviously

um incredible the guy has been on top of

his game for so long

there’s a couple of different options

for him right now

one that I really love and we’re

probably going to do so

um hopefully I’ll announce that in the

next

couple months thank you appreciate it

thank you Dana with Max winning

um is there any consideration of holding

an event in in Hawaii I know you said

you know it’s just it’s kind of

impossible right now but with him being

so big

um with you know with Matt Maui right

now with everything like is is there any

consideration of holding an event in

Hawaii

there’s there’s several issues

withholding a a fight in Hawaii for the

UFC

the Arenas

um the cost of doing an event in Hawaii

um you know believe me me and all of my

staff would love to pack up and go to

Hawaii on a

on a for a week you know what I mean

everybody that works at the company

would want to go to that event

and not the [ __ ] on any other place but

it’s probably a hundred other places we

would rather not go than go to Hawaii

we’d rather go to Hawaii but it’s just

it’s tough to do stuff to do do you see

EFC ever holding an event and why if if

they build a stadium or if they lower

the costs you know it’s funny you say

that because we talked about that

yesterday too we covered a lot of stuff

yesterday and and obviously the stuff

that’s going on in Hawaii right now

um

I’m very supportive of Hawaii and the

people and I’m kind of focused on that

right now where this we so for all of

you

media and fans included that bought UFC

Hawaii t-shirts thank you we’re over two

hundred thousand dollars in in the

Hawaii t-shirts and I believe that we’ll

get over 300 000 which will put us at

like 1.3 million dollars that we’re

going to donate to the people of Hawaii

and and

just like we did

in Las Vegas when when the you know the

shooting happened here

we’re trying to vet out right now how do

how do we get the money to the right

people who does it go to you don’t just

send 1.3 million over there and say hey

here you go good luck everybody we get

so we’re we’re working out the details

on how to figure that out and I am going

to Hawaii I’m going to go over there

myself and uh and meet with whoever we

end up donating this money to and uh

and I’m working on other possible things

with Hawaii as far as events go just

nothing I can talk about right now I

wanted to ask you one more thing about

UFC 292 as soon as O’Malley knocked out

allergy Maine his knockout was on

YouTube it was all over social media

it’s a rare occurrence for the UFC to do

that what UFC Didn’t Do It

um ESPN did

so ESPN

uh you know bought the rights to the

pay-per-views so they wanted to put that

out that night and they wanted to

promote that fight

um so they did

yeah

is that you think it’s just a special

O’Malley thing or do you think that

might happen going forward

um yeah I think that they obviously they

saw the star potential

in O’Malley that night and I think that

opening it up to everyone was like an

investment in O’Malley

I don’t know if that’s the truth you’d

have to ask them that question but

that’s that’s why I think they did it

and one last one for me um I don’t know

if you saw this but the rock bought FEMA

garimbo uh a house I didn’t see it I

heard about it though what were your

thoughts on that it’s it’s it was

pretty awesome

I think that the rock is incredibly

wealthy and he could probably buy

everybody on the [ __ ] roster a house

so yeah obviously a really nice thing to

do

um you know he connected with him

through the seven bucks thing you know

um

yeah so

awesome thank you yeah interview you

mentioned how vital the contender sees

has been a part of the UFC and the

roster growth but also another part was

The Ultimate Fighter right back in the

day a lot of the guys came from The

Ultimate Fighter after these two live

finales in Boston especially the Katona

and Gibson fight are you looking forward

to placing these tough finales on big

spotlights like a Pay-Per-View event or

even just shining a bigger light on the

future tough Seasons yeah that’s a good

question I don’t know we talked about a

lot of [ __ ] the last two days we didn’t

talk about that

um or either one of those guys but

you’re not wrong I mean that was a great

fight that was one of those fights that

people were blowing me up saying give

them both a contract they should both be

in the UFC and and uh

so so yeah I mean those guys delivered

on on the uh on the finale

and uh so you uh you said that you

mentioned some locations is La one of

those possible locations that you guys

might be returning to

in La yeah

Southern California

yeah yeah awesome and uh not sure if you

saw but McGregor DM Sean O’Malley after

he won his title fight against algerman

Sterling and uh O’Malley called for a

main and co-main event between or

McGregor to be the main event of a card

and sugar to be the co-main of a card

I’m not what are your thoughts on that I

didn’t see that yeah no I didn’t see it

it doesn’t surprise me though you can

tell

that O’Malley respects Conor and what he

built and what he’s done and you know so

it makes sense

and uh one last one for me it’s hard to

put anybody else that shares and

Pay-per-view on a pay-per-view of Conor

McGregor fair enough and uh one last one

for me was a UFC 295 co-main event

something you’re going to be announcing

real soon here say that again the UFC

295 co-main event to Jones and steepe

you want to know what the co-main event

is yeah because I mean you said a couple

weeks ago it might be the next week and

we just haven’t heard anything yet yeah

I have no clue right now all right thank

you thank you Dana just jumping back to

Max Holloway I know a lot of times in

the UFC we don’t see trilogies that

often but is there a possibility that

Max and Volk might get another shot

I just think that I think that

volkanovsky is so dominant right now I

mean there’s people who believe he beat

uh you know Islam

you know I I don’t know if you throw Max

at him again at this point in Max’s

career

I don’t love it do you love it

oh then why’d you ask me that because

people people want to know people want

to know people want to know

tell people I think it’s a bad idea

they just heard uh last for me I think

Alex pajer was in the building a lot of

people say that want to know if there’s

any move forward on that with the

possibility of going against yiri and a

lot of people are talking about maybe

December might be a good opportunity for

those guys I know you guys are still

looking for a main event for the

December card for hey Alex and possibly

Yuri yeah Alex was in the here I assume

he met with you guys and yeah talking

stuff

yeah yeah it’s possible

we do too yeah tell the people we like

that one

hey

um what exactly about Carlos the

welterweight contract winner uh reminded

you of Anderson Silva

oh what what did the way he moved how

how relaxed he was how fluent he was the

combinations that he put together

um just everything about his whole uh

Swagger tonight was was very uh you know

Old School Anderson Silva is that like

quite an easy sell for like narrative

going forward someone that could you

know perhaps follow in his footsteps if

he reminds you so much of you know to

follow in his footsteps yeah

what’s the question is it an easy sell

to use yourself forward well I mean if

you watch the fight tonight anything’s

that he’s sell with that guy that guy

was smooth slick violent

um I mean almost everything he threw

landed

uh and and none of it was wild and it

was all just it was it was [ __ ]

smooth is the only the only thing that

comes to mind when I think about it was

just absolute pure smooth violence man

that guy was was beautiful tonight

beautiful and uh John mentioned about

comebacks with Conor McGregor in this

screenshot I think the Daily Mail had to

run to Rousey wanting to return for UFC

300 had you seen that report is it

something you dwell who reported that

Daily Mail I think it was I think it’s

been carried elsewhere

are you [ __ ] asking me a question

that the Daily Mail posted something and

you’re asking me if it’s true is that

what you’re saying asking if it’s true

I’m saying would you welcome it would I

welcome it Ron does having kids Rhonda

you know Ronda built this whole thing

that’s going on with the women here then

her dream was to go to the WWE she went

there and did everything she did there

and achieved she’s made shitloads of

money she’s moving on with her life stop

reading the Daily Mail everything they

write is a crock of [ __ ]

um there’s a report

um that

Jon Jones requested that Colby Covington

not be the co-main event on his card is

there any truth to that

I know of is that what John said yeah

it’s probably true then

yeah as if John said it is probably true

um but not that I was aware of that he

didn’t want what what’s his problem with

Colby Covington I guess colby colby went

they have history and clothing talking

[ __ ] about him like he does everybody on

Earth it was Colby who said John said it

John who said it Colby said John said it

oh got it so it’s the not quite John

saying it so John didn’t say Colby said

John said it

well there you go that’s the more daily

mail for you right there

all right

so basically John didn’t come to you and

say I don’t think Jon Jones could give a

[ __ ] one way or the other

literally the only person I’ve ever seen

Jon Jones truly hate and and could not

stand and would say like bad things

about was Daniel Cormier other than him

I I’ve never really seen that with Jon

Jones

maybe I’m wrong but I’ve never seen it

Jon Jones is at a level that what’s he

got to give a [ __ ] about anything you

know what I mean the guy is literally

the greatest

fighter of all time at mixed martial

arts so I think he’s worried about who’s

on the co-main event

but I could be wrong sorry yeah one last

time uh was Miami a city you guys want

to come back to I mean after that crazy

event at in UFC 287 I think you guys

will really like what we’re talking

about for Miami I’m guessing it’s going

to be UFC 305 in Miami right

305 I can

aha

it took me a sec

me a second not a bad [ __ ] idea

though buddy

not a bad idea

awesome thank you all right you done

with me good night you guys

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merci beaucoup merci mon gars

bonjour Cyril

je voulais savoir répondu un peu plus ou

moins la question en anglais bon on sait

que ton dernier combat face à Johnson ça

n’a pas été une réussite en termes de

professionnels mais on a vu que c’était

quand même assez difficile pour toi

aussi au niveau humain

parce que t’attendais pas forcément à ce

retour par rapport à tes fans et tout

est-ce que tu peux venir un peu avec

nous sur ce côté là et est-ce que tu as

décidé de venir avec des ambitions

différentes avec un style différent

toujours tant qu’on le temps qu’on ne

les ai marrant ça me rappelle une

conversation que j’avais eu avec un ami

qui était avant moi qui est un groupe

bon gamin aussi qu’elle tattoo comme moi

bon gamin qui lui est dans la musique et

qui lui est un artiste et qui du coup

très fragile et beaucoup plus

fragile c’est le moment

et qui me disait et pourtant n’a pas

vécu ce que moi j’ai vécu mais qui avait

peur de ça justement et il a vécu un

tout petit peu mais c’est différent

parce que c’est la musique et il me

disait il a pas fait un burn-out mais il

a coupé à un moment de temps avec son

avec son avec son plaisir qui était de

faire la musique parce qu’il avait peur

de ça donc c’est des choses qui sont

fortes quand même tu vois qui sont pas

négligeables et et ce qui me disait

c’est que parce qu’il sait que je suis

quelqu’un de fort il sait que toute ma

vie

j’ai eu des épreuves dans ma vie il sait

que je suis fort à quel point je suis

fort et que j’ai jamais de problème et

que je me plains jamais et que Siri

c’est toujours le mec qui est toujours

heureux qui n’a jamais de problème moi

j’ai jamais de problème dans ma vie si

tu m’écoutes

mais il m’a dit ça tant que tu le vis

pas tu sais pas donc tu le vis pas tu

sais pas tu vois on en a parlé il y a

pas longtemps

que tu devais pas tu sais pas ce que

c’est tu vois c’est pas à quel point

c’est c’est compliqué et donc c’est ce

qui s’est passé donc ça a été quelque

chose oui de dur

mais encore une fois j’ai cette force là

de relativiser et de dire

bon calme-toi tu vois il y a quelques

années tu étais où tu vendais du meuble

tu veux si tu faisais ça calme-toi

rappelle-toi on a ressorti des vidéos

il avait pris une vidéo de moi ou en

rigolait il y a quoi c’était juste avant

mes débuts

ou sur mon compte en banque

il y avait des sommes des raisins

il y avait des 5 euros par ci sur le

compte commun avec Madame il y avait des

16 euros des choses comme ça tu vois

donc aujourd’hui ça me fait sourire tu

vois et je me dis bon relativise quand

même calme-toi oui tu as perdu tu as un

compétiteur ça fait mal en plus des fois

de de ça derrière on peut te le mettre

en plein visage les gens utilisent un

peu le buzz sur ça sur les réseaux les

faits des réseaux aussi qui est un peu

qui est un peu trop

qui est un peu malsain faut le dire il y

a des bons côtés sur le réseau mais

aussi beaucoup de mauvais côté mais

voilà au-delà de ça ça m’a pas changé ça

m’a construit et comme je dis chaque

étape du jour de la vie te construis et

te rend plus fort mais je ne change pas

je reste la même personne mon style ne

change pas et j’ai toujours le même but

c’est de kiffer ce que je fais d’aimer

ce que je fais parce que j’aime ce que

je fais j’aime le sport je crois que

dans ma vie je l’avais jamais réalisé

mais en fait je voulais vivre du sport

et aujourd’hui je le fais il faut pas

l’oublier aujourd’hui je gagne même bien

ma vie j’ai une famille j’ai des beaux

enfants et tout va bien dans ma vie et

c’est ça qu’il faut pas oublier donc je

reste la même personne et je reste avec

les mêmes ambitions gagner combat après

combat

alors du coup tu as fait bon tu as fait

déjà des super combats tu avais des gros

défis et tu as combattu deux fois pour

la ceinture mais aujourd’hui tu reviens

d’une défaite ou finalement est quand

même aller rester un goût amer les

publics entre guillemets à temps au

tournant est-ce que du coup tu as un peu

la pression

j’ai décidé d’arrêter avec ça

c’est un choix je crois je crois la

pression c’est un choix j’ai décidé

d’arrêter avec ça vraiment je ou bien

parce que l’étape que j’ai subi m’a

rendu plus fort ce qui fait que je

reçois plus cette pression là mais j’ai

décidé d’arrêter avec ça depuis parler

d’attente de gens de mettre la pression

de ceci de cela event Paris devont

ton public et c’était je veux je veux

retrouver c’est un peu mémo que j’ai eu

je veux retrouver les sensations que

j’avais quand j’ai commencé le MMA quand

j’ai commencé cette discipline nouvelle

discipline j’apprenais à fond tous les

jours je kiffais tous les jours j’allais

combattre je voyageais avec mes amis je

vais gagner un peu d’argent mais c’était

juste magnifique ils ont gagné et je

veux retrouver ça donc je vais

m’entraîner et aller gagner mes combats

comme je disais tu as fait déjà des

super gros combat super important mais

au final il est très important toute la

serrer où parmi au niveau d’importance

par rapport à tout ce que tu as déjà

fait

niveau d’importance par rapport à ce que

j’ai fait c’est une bonne question

sa combat est super important

malheureusement je suis très sur le

présent moi et j’attache énormément

d’importance au moment présent donc au

jour d’aujourd’hui tout ce qui est passé

est passé et on peut pas changer ce qui

est passé donc aujourd’hui je dirais

c’est mon combat le plus important

merci

bonjour Cyril

une question parce qu’on est quasiment

un an jour pour jour du dernier UFC

Paris où t’affronter Tai tu vas ça

j’ai l’impression qu’il y a un petit

côté en France on se hype un peu moins

sur cette carte est-ce que tu peux nous

expliquer si Spivack c’est un plus gros

morceau que tu vas à ça ou pas

aspiva qui est plus dangereux et plus

complet que ta et tu vas voir

une arme très forte et on la connaît et

la maîtrise très bien tu vois mais je

dirais que Spivack est un peu plus

complet donc toi tu parles de la hype

autour de ce combat là

globalement mais parce que on sait que

c’est le combat principal j’ai

l’impression que les gens avec plus de

facilité à ce hype sur taille qui a

l’air avec qui vous aviez une bonne

relation ça se passait bien que Spivack

est très froid pour le coup je sais pas

pour le coup j’arrive pas à mesurer ça

je le mesure pas parce que comme je t’ai

dit des réseaux tout ça je suis plus à

fond dessus donc je n’arrive pas à

mesurer ça après il y a toujours l’effet

les gens sont en vacances en fait et

donc la chance qu’on avait c’est que le

premier à 20 de Paris ça a fait du bruit

c’était le premier à 20 bon là c’est

plus le premier event peut-être qu’on

est passé à autre chose et comme je te

dis l’effet du mois d’août peut-être

aussi gâche un peu le la magie du truc

mais pour toi Spivack un peu plus ça

peut être un peu plus corsé oui je pense

que Spivack

encore une fois ça dépend comment on

arrive à amener le combat ça se trouve

ça peut donner un combat plus facile tu

vois

quand tu arrives à imposer ton art tout

de suite ça a un combat facile on dit

que l’autre était nul non c’est juste

que tu as réussi à imposer ton art donc

j’espère d’ailleurs ce que ça donnera ce

genre de combat là j’ai pas mal de

questions sur le chat twitch il y a des

personnes qui veulent absolument savoir

ce que ce sera ta musique d’entrée non

bah malheureusement à vrai dire à vrai

dire j’ai pas j’ai pas c’est comme je

disais à l’instant c’est pas quelque

chose qui j’attache pas beaucoup

d’importance à avoir

des rituels tu vois donc ma musique

n’est pas un rituel donc si j’ai une

musique ou une autre pour moi ça fait

pas de différence faut d’abord que je

kiffe la musique mais il faut aussi que

ça fasse kiffer les gens donc c’est un

peu le thème tu vois donc non j’ai pas

vraiment encore choisi de m’amuser

dernier mot pour moi et ce sera pas une

question simplement de dire qu’il y a

pas d’attente dans le chat mais il y a

énormément de soutien et d’amour pour

toi ça fait plaisir je vous fais un gros

cœur le chat bizarre

salut salut Fred pour Gong je voulais

savoir si tu avais hâte d’être samedi

soir pour fermer des bouches sachant que

tu as vécu peut-être le pire cauchemar

en fait le du combattant de pas pouvoir

t’exprimer en fait contre John tu as pas

montré du coup

c’est presque comme si les gens

pouvaient croire que tu es pas un vrai

combattant de MMA c’est-à-dire que tu es

tu as pas de lutte t’as pas de sol et là

Spivack c’est un peu l’adversaire

parfait pour t’exprimer justement et

répondre à ces à ces questions est-ce

que justement tu as de ça est-ce que tu

es dans un état de frustration depuis

ton combat contre Jones non pas dans un

état de frustration donc j’étais frustré

après le combat forcément et tu as

toujours ce truc que tu dis tu te punis

tu sais tu te fais un peu du mal il y a

pas de vacances il y a rien la semaine

prochaine sur l’entraînement je me puni

moi-même tu vois mais en fait c’est pour

ton bien au-delà de ça j’ai pas envie de

faire fermer des bouches

c’est comme je dis souvent je suis

vraiment concentré sur moi-même c’est à

moi que je veux prouver des choses même

si je sais que déjà je fais de belles

choses à l’entraînement maintenant faut

le faire le jour J ça c’est toujours

différent

c’est un bon adversaire pour comme tu

dis

faire fermer des bouches ou bien pour

essayer de prouver des choses démontrer

des choses ou faire démentir le côté

lutte etc tu vois

ça c’est vrai mais au-delà de ça j’ai

pas ce sentiment de haine du tout faire

fermer des bouches que tu fasses bien

que tu fasses pas bien toute manière on

va de vrai ça j’en parle ils ont envie

de parler ouais c’est pour toi en fait

c’est beaucoup pour moi je te dis je la

le plus gros changement qui a eu dans ma

carrière c’est ça c’est comment je gère

ma vie aujourd’hui c’est moi j’en ai pas

rien à de ce qui est autour mais

aujourd’hui je suis très concentré sur

moi vraiment vraiment

merci merci

Cyril là dans les deux prochaines années

si tout se passe comme tu veux ou pas

mais probablement vu le top de la

catégorie ça va être que des lutteurs là

tu commences par Spivack ensuite

peut-être à spinal ensuite tête Almeida

ou peut-être moi aussi je vais peut-être

te donner

parce qu’on sait qu’il y a des

combattants bien sûr ils s’entraînent

pour tout mais ça les saoule de se dire

ils vont affronter des lutteurs et

probablement les pour les prochains

combats live là le fait de dire sur les

deux prochaines années probablement que

tu vas affronter que des mecs où tu vas

taffer que la lutte manger que la lutte

le combat ça va être de la lutte ça te

fait quoi de te dire ça fait du bien ça

va me rendre meilleur ça va me rendre

meilleur

on a été très vite mis dans le bain moi

je viens de trois ans de boxe

thaïlandaise donc ça a été tout de suite

dit mon point fort tu vois

à vrai dire avant la boxe thaïlandaise

je faisais au basket donc j’ai mis trois

ans à prendre la boxe thaïlandaise et

très vite quand j’ai commencé le combat

bon ben il fallait imposer mon art très

vite parce que j’ai pas le temps de

rattraper

les années de lutte que les gens avaient

en plus de moi donc très vite il a fallu

gagner des combats combats après combat

préparer celui-là

4 mois après tu prépares donc tu passes

pas ton temps à dire ouais je vais être

un lutteur tu comprends ce que je veux

dire tu passes ton temps à te dire que

bon les mecs sont plus meilleurs

lutteurs mais j’ai quand même trois ans

de boxe thaï donc on va mettre ça en

avant tu vois ce que je veux dire donc

ça a été toujours un peu le mindset

aujourd’hui

je te cache pas que je suis quelqu’un

qui apprend beaucoup et qui apprend de

tous les sports j’ai pratiqué tous les

sports je viens de la boxe thaïlandaise

de trois ans de boxerlandaise mais je

peux très bien m’inventer une vie et

dire j’ai du sang d’aggestanais et je

deviens lutteur tu vois je faisais donc

c’est des choses je sais que j’en suis

capable je sais que j’en suis capable je

suis un athlète je suis quelqu’un

d’assez intelligent et si jamais on

s’amuse à accès à dire ouais moi aussi

je vais juste un lutteur un pur lutteur

et à dire j’oublie un peu mon pied point

tu vois parce que ça nécessite ça aussi

un peu pour être très concentré sur ça

je pourrais très bien le faire aussi tu

vois mais

voilà pour répondre à ta question ça ne

me dérange pas ça ne me dérange pas

vraiment ça ne me dérange pas ça va

ça va ça va me ça va ça va me rendre

meilleur

bonjour Cyril est-ce que tu t’attendais

à autant un carnet la popularisation du

MMA en France et comment tu gères ce

rôle un peu de Monsieur et même en

France pour appeler ça non au début tu

t’attends pas à ça au début tu fais ton

truc c’est vraiment le truc au début tu

fais juste ton truc tu es là j’ai

commencé la boxe thaï on m’a dit viens

essayer la boxe thaï j’ai commencé on

m’a dit vas-y viens faire des combats et

moi gagner déjà 400 400 euros avec un

combat le week-end je me dis waouh

ça va m’aider tu vois je vais en faire à

tous les mois et puis ça augmente à 800

euros après tu as

1002005 et tout je vais faire des

combats tous les mois ça va être bien tu

prends juste à ça

et puis c’est un petit tu fais tes

combats et au bout de trois ans

je croise la salle de de Fernand et à la

base je veux juste faire un peu de tes

points pour éviter de faire des heures

de route à l’opposé de Paris parce que

j’habite de l’autre côté de mon club et

tout et il me dit ben à nouveau viens

faire du MMA je dis ok vas-y pourquoi

pas il me dit qu’on peut gagner plus

d’argent c’est ça que je recherche tu

vois

et de fil en aiguille tu fais ton truc

tu fais ton truc et puis d’un coup on

dit mais c’est toi le port drapeau

français c’est toi ah ouais ok c’est toi

ouais ok ouais ça va pour l’instant je

suis confortable avec ça j’ai pas de

problème c’est vous qui dites c’est pas

moi toute manière tu vois

ça m’a

j’ai été fier d’être un peu le précurse

le précurseur de du mec qui a un peu qui

est un peu tu vois ta tête là-haut tu

vois j’ai un peu le précurseur c’est

vrai mais il y a eu des combattants

avant moi français déjà lu ça

et une question en plus juste une

dernière question

concrètement

comment tu tu arrives en fait à comment

dire t’imposer

plutôt comment en fait tu qu’est-ce que

tu réponds aux gens qui trouvent

peut-être trop Nice par rapport à ton

attitude justement qui va à l’encontre

en fait de des codes quelque part de

l’UFC bah malheureusement c’est je vais

laisser ces gens déçu parce que je ne

changerai pas

je changerai pas ça c’est une certitude

je ne changerai pas je suis moi-même

depuis que j’ai commencé devant les

caméras dans la cage en dehors de la

cage les gens qui me croisent dans la

rue et c’est mon identité et c’est mon

éducation et c’est ma vision de la vie

tu vois et ça changera pas même si des

fois les événements font que tu changes

un peu

je ferai tout pour que ça ne change pas

ça ne changera pas

merci Cyril

thank you everybody

what’s up everyone it is the winning podcast and as you can tell my man was not ready not ready for any of it but

now he’s feeling cocky he’s feeling ready to go and we got some fights to talk about all kinds of other good stuff

my man what’s happening you feeling good it’s feeling a little aroused right now buddy

go ahead and rub them nipples baby yeah let’s go let’s go uh yeah I’m feeling

good man I’m feeling wonderful and it was a good day today a lot of activity going on today I went to a local gym

here in Texas got a little got a little extra training in and uh I

got on the mats a little bit it’s you know look I think you maybe know and you’ve heard it from other Fighters it’s uh it’s a

little it’s a little difficult to go to a new gym and just feel like

everyone’s gonna try to like hurt you or trying to do something stupid and you’re just like I don’t want to roll with

these but you got to stay busy you got to stay active I mean just like I was talking about the other day my body man

it just the less I do the more it feels like it just doesn’t want to move it

hurts yeah more it hurts the more it doesn’t want to move like getting another car I was like man because I mean I have been I have been

running a little bit I have been lifting a little bit and not super heavy and but not as often as I need to be I’ve got to

be lifting in and running probably for I say four times a week minimum that four

to five is kind of The Sweet Spot anything more than five starts kind of starts having an effect on me and then

anything less than like three or three and less kind of is not you know I feel like I’m not getting anything out of it

so I don’t know it just is uh it feels anyways I walk in I get some training in one of the one of the neighbors here

that I met in my community he’s training at this little local spot and so I went over there and uh got some rolling in

felt good I was [ __ ] exhausted yeah I was so tired you deaf you

definitely lose the ability to relax right away it was I was exhausted I was

like after John we got halfway through the warm-ups and I was like oh I was like why do I feel a little heavy right

now just you know when everything starts to fill up the arms and the legs and everything it just starts filling up

with with blood and you’re like man this is not gonna go well and I got my three rounds in I look I know that the next

time will be a lot better and then the next time after that’ll be a lot better I think in about a week I’ll feel I’ll

feel explosive again like a animal yeah no no no that explosive

explosive that explosive is no longer in your

vocabulary you’re supposed to be making me feel better about this I dude I am here to make you feel better I’m just

being it’s it’s not easy man you can have a good time you know what you do is you just do what I do when I go and roll

hey just you know I got a bad right knee I got a bad neck don’t don’t grab me in a guillotine don’t grab me

and I you have any other problems yeah you tell me what your problems are I won’t grab those yeah that’s what you do

I felt bad and it’s just the way it is the very first guy I rolled with today he uh I I’m going to a Toe Hold like

real quick I went to a toe hold and I wasn’t going hard no no no no I went to the toilet and I was like it was he’s a

Blue Bell I’m like all right he’s fine I didn’t like put it on I just had I had it in the position and then he tried to

donkey kick out and it pushed into my hand his [ __ ] ankle weight and I was like Ugh

see but that’s the problem is you’ll get guys that’ll start to spazz on you yeah

and all of a sudden they’ll tour they’ll roll the wrong way or any of those things you go what are you doing I don’t

know well he doesn’t know so I’m gonna go back tomorrow it’s the only rough the rough part is it’s a 5

a.m workout I’m still that’s a rough one I’m still not in I’m still not like kind of fully

adjusted I think to the time here I don’t know what it is like I mean I feel like I can be until like maybe if you’re

if if you’re up and roll and ready to roll at 5am my hat’s off to you you’re much better

person it’s not far either it’s like 10 minutes away from the house so I get

lucky though because the neighbor he actually just lives one block over so he’s like I’ll just swing by and pick you up so I’m like all right cool I don’t gotta get in the car and drive

down and he just swoops me up so I like that it feels good uh yeah but it was a

good experience it was good to be back on the mats had been I mean I’ve been nursing this wrist injury for a long time and uh you know it’s it’s been

miserable I’ve got a little torn ligament in there and I had the same surgery on my left wrist that I did that I’m gonna potentially about to have on

my right there’s nothing I can do I think I’m supposed to go out to um Tijuana and do some stem cells with a

couple of my buddies that own a stem cell research place out there so I’m gonna try and do that look at my hair just flipping out what the hell are you

doing fix it but it wasn’t getting anywhere oh here’s you’re fixing it all right and um so I’m gonna I’m supposed to head off there at the end of

September but I’m trying to figure out when because we do Dublin the end of September and then maybe the week after I’m hoping

maybe that week after it’s a whole week of stem cells so they do they’ll hit me in a couple different spots a bunch of

IVs and uh just tape it up till then but it’s like it’s like a half a roll of

tape every time and last time I checked man that tape is not cheap my friend you know me though John I’m super cheap

I’m the cheapest guy you probably know no no

um well hey you know what it’s been uh it’s been a good couple days our last show I

liked it I enjoyed it I went back and listened to it I thought we did a good job we had some fun especially at the end we had some fun uh but we’ve got

some big fights coming up this weekend the whole card is is a good card but you know what we didn’t do last weekend

well we didn’t do last weekend was we didn’t rate the fights we didn’t rate the card what what like

let’s go back to the pfl just real quick what did you rate that card oh my God man you know see that and this

is what happens is I don’t remember exactly everyone on the card but I I

loved the last fight I love clay Collard against Shane Burgos I thought it was fantastic uh OEM looked good I don’t

know I wouldn’t rate that you know seven and a half eight at least yeah yeah I was gonna say about the eight Mark I

don’t say about the eight Mark I give it some love that that main event really stole the show and I gotta be honest right if you’re gonna have you know if

you don’t have a good you know uh prelims and undercard and all those things the main event

could change everything you get people talking about it and that’s exactly what I think and I’m not saying that the rest of the card wasn’t good they had some

good good fights the oam fight was definitely it was a good fight fun fight the clay color fight was fantastic and

uh you know and so they they had some good fights on the car so I’m gonna go about an eight what would you give the max Holloway card

oh so yeah again I’m taking a look and

although I didn’t think the whole card was great I loved I loved everything

about the last fight I love the way that Max Holloway handled himself in it I

love the way the Korean zombie handled himself in it I loved what the UFC did

as far as playing zombie afterwards and letting him walk out with the you know

and having the crowd and all that I just loved all that I thought that that’s what a promotion does for a guy that has

given everything that he can give to him and I thought they treated him well with that I really enjoyed it so I didn’t you

know I would say eight and a half yeah I was gonna I was gonna give him a little bit of a one-up on it I mean just I think

overall probably a better card overall than the pfl yeah but you know and again

it was the last fight really sold it yeah I would give more of the fight itself to the pfl their main event I

think that’s a little bit better the fight is more competitive but the Nostalgia of what happened in the main

event for the UFC um and Korean zombie retiring the Zombie Walk in walk out was fantastic

um you know Max kind of solidified himself as the number one potentially an excellent line for another shot and Volk

all of those things I felt like there was a lot on the line with the Maui situation where you know they’re still

looking for people and stuff a lot on a lot a lot of pressure on Max to get that microphone and be able to speak what’s

on his mind to show support to you know to people in Hawaii so um it was very important to

him and it’s not it’s not the easiest thing to do to go out there and get that win under that type of pressure knowing that’s

what you want you want that opportunity to say what is on your mind to show the support and the love for your for all

your family members or your friends and their family members you know from Hawaii so uh yeah I would give it an

eight and a half also I would give it an eight and a half also so all right but hey let’s go ahead and move on to this

week’s cards and you’ve got what number is this there Dave sdfc Paris UFC Paris okay so there’s no

number two that would mean UFC Paris number two yes UFC Paris number two is it number two this is the second time in

Paris I thought it was first time was Cyril gone against titu yavasa

they didn’t just oh okay I thought maybe they had this was their third one no no I think this is their size I don’t know

why they’re just calling it UFC Pirates gotcha yeah okay UFC Paris so you got uh Sarah gone who is 11 and two you’ve got

survey Sergey spivik who is 16 and three I think it’s a great matchup and I’ll

tell you what anybody that’s counting Sergey spivik out of this is foolish yes

Sergey spivik is a giant walrus of a man and he’s tough as hell he’s and he’s got

talent he’s got on the ground he’s better than Cyril gone on the feet

I give it to Cyril gone and that is the question of what does Sergey spivik do to get this

fight down to the ground you know how does he how does he get into that clinch what does he do to get a hold of Cyril

God can he do that that’s the real question maker because if he gets the fight to the ground he has the advantage

in the fight if the fight stays on the feet I give it to Cyril gone having the advantage but this is a really good

fight I think you cannot count anybody out yeah I mean I’m gonna look at spivik

in terms of I think that he’ll be able to do a lot more damage on the feet that people are going to give him credit for or they think he that that they believe

that he’ll be able to get done on the feet against they’re all gone I think Cyril gone the speed the movement all

those things that you’ve talked about we’ve talked about forever was so gone he has all those attributes and he can

utilize them he’s got to keep his back off the fence he can’t allow his back foot to hit the fence because in those

pressure situations it’s easy to get caught with something a big a big shot or just press to the fence and take him

down so he’s gonna have to keep that movement keep his back off the fence and if I was to be honest if I was

surrogant’s coaches I’d be telling him take the center every time he steps in snap of the jab in the face hit him with

a little thigh kick hit him with that little thigh kick hit him with some shots that uh you know that are gonna

stop his movement the push kick up the middle the thigh kick and the jab that snaps the neck back those type of things

that will get you to stop in your place because as he starts letting allowing him to uh Civic to push him back within

that little black circle in that little black line that Fighters like to use as a as a footbed or a benchmark for their

foot to go past I’m looking at that so if Sergey spivit can actually push him back in that black line then he’s gonna

be winning the fight if he doesn’t then I think the cereal gone’s gonna be just touching him and touching him and just

scoring points until eventually spivit’s gonna make a mistake and get caught but I don’t see this fight Going the Distance five rounds I don’t see it

going the distance I think someone’s gonna get the Finish I agree with you I don’t see it go in the finish too but spivik is a lot

better than people realize with his foot sweeps his trips he’s got a lot of Judo background to him and man he’s he’s

pretty he’s pretty agile for a big guy he does things well so God’s got to be

on point if he wants to get the win you know what it is though John is that when I feel like heavyweights uh and I think

all fighters they should spend a lot more time with the Judo takedowns the foot sweeps the the knee up the crotch

kind of to lift and then the Twist and take down a wrestling type mentality or [ __ ] type and Judo type takedowns

because those are key against the fence I think they’re it’s there there’s a lot

less effort if done correctly if using the movement and I think for heavyweights it’s something that could

just be done so easily and once once the heavyweights hit the ground they’re like tortoises on their back they just can’t

get up you know and so any opportunity a heavyweight has to get a fight to the ground they should be trying to snatch

that up and look I understand why heavyweights don’t like to train wrestling or they don’t like to train

you know in the takedown areas it’s because it’s a lot of work to get your bass back up there and do it again you

know you got to drill it over and over again but it’s also a lot of energy and potentially put yourself in danger if

you don’t get the takedown but in these foot sweeps and these little trips and all those things those are things that

you can catch them off guard and just the movement and you can just sweep their foot easily without a whole lot of

effort and then up on top so though I feel like a lot of these heavyweight Fighters are missing this opportunity

and I think the first ones to kind of come along and do that DC was one of them you know uh Kane was more of the

double leg and the takedown and you know in the single leg and the wrestling that way but um I feel like guys that have

been able to utilize their foot sweeps I remember when uh DC did it to Dan Henderson I mean it

just was it looked poetic out there man the way he was able to kind of like dip the head got to take down got the big

dump and he got up he just foot swept him out he looks beautiful beautiful and I think if you can find more heavyweights that can start to hit those

type of takedowns make it effortless are they gonna see that those type of heavyweight circuit to the top a lot

faster you know but it’s a good matchup like I said I love a fight when you can look

and say that both guys can win this you know you might you know gone will probably be the underdog I mean the

favorite in the fight excuse me when when it you know happens but it’s not going to be by a whole lot well let’s

pull up the pull up the the rankings please and I’m looking at the heavyweight rankings

what are you thinking there both of these guys have a lot uh at stake where is spivikat there he’s number seven is

down to seven gone’s number two papovich is probably just waiting there in the cuts uh he’s just kind of waiting there

waiting to see who wins this next fight he’ll probably fight the winner of Jon Jones and uh Stipe and who knows

now John had said this a while ago Jon Jones had said I’m gonna fight Stipe

greatest heavyweight champion of all time I’m just going to be done do you believe that

man you never know with John you know I really don’t know because

if there’s one thing I would say Obviously John has had holes within his

career as far as time lengths that he has not fought and uh I could see him taking some time

off again after the the miocic fight but you know as long as he’s put his money

on the right things and he’s done the right he’s he is making big money now he’s got a big contract as far as he

just signed you know a big contract so yeah I tend to think that he’s still

gonna fight more but yeah when you when you take a look at the list of heavyweights there who who’s

going to give him big problems now look at pavlovich can hurt anybody in the stand-up and John could be hurt and

stand up and and if there’s one thing that you know we’re gonna see in my opinion with the John heavyweight

is the one thing that gave him more problems in the light heavyweight was guys that had his size frame or close to

it well most of the guys you know let’s be honest pavlovich is six foot four

steep a is six foot four aspinall six foot five everyone is you know bigger

you can get into that volkoff it’s six foot seven six foot eight you know they’re all you know big framed yeah

they’re all big framed I agree with you and you and I talked about this for the longest time and and

I’ve said the guys at the 205 pound division that hair that were his frame we’re giving him a problem but the the

difference is the guys that are his frame and the heavyweight they don’t have the athleticism of those guys at 205 did those guys at 205 were better

athletes than the guys in the heavyweight division outside of maybe like Cyril gone and this young kid

Almeida you know but he and aspinall so you’ve got you know those three a younger Stipe I would have probably said

okay he’s got the he’s got the athleticism you know a younger Stipe but some of these other guys man they don’t

have the athleticism two of us that does not have the athleticism volkov doesn’t have the athleticism Derek Lewis does

not taburra does not you know rosenstruck does not you know I mean you

could probably and like yeah I mean like once you get down that far it’s not even worth talking about no and but I get up

there I mean like you know young Stipe Tom aspinall uh Curtis Blaze has athleticism very athletic

um but I look at Jon Jones going to heavyweight I felt like him going to heavyweights to prolong his career

fight the guys that are not anywhere near as athletic as you they’re not as majority of them are not as fast as you

but you’re a better wrestler you’re a better Striker majority of than the majority of them you’re definitely a

better wrestler than almost all of them maybe outside of Curtis blades but I would be willing to bet you’d probably get a good he I think that Jon Jones

would be able to stuff a takedown and get a couple takedowns as well um in this fight so like the you know

the only fights that really interest me with him and is is the Tom ask and I’ll

go back please is the Tom aspinoff fight yep the um the specific fight is Pivot gets

it done against Cyril gone as the Civic fight so pavlovich aspinall spivik if he gets it

done against zero gone and of course Almeida but almeida’s got some ways to go he’s still maturing still has to work

on his stand up good on the ground physically strong I mean you could see the his he’s athletic you can see he’s

not like a he’s that more of that hybrid type heavyweight that we’ve seen coming around these days with Tom asinol and

Cyril gone they are their body frames fit them to be uh I don’t know how to

explain it it just fits them if they’re fit yeah they’re not they’re not care they’re not carrying a lot of hair in

this body fat you know and they they fit that six foot four to six foot five 245 255 pound

frame that carries all that weight really well that’s what you’re looking at there and that’s why they’re athletic

well what’s those guys you got to admit everywhere out they’re athletic John is is an athlete he’s athletic

absolutely Tom aspinall is athletic well if you’re looking at gelatin

Almeida he’s out he’s athletic so that’s what you’re looking for and that you know it

heavy weights not everyone is athletic well let me ask you this does

does um spivik jump up past um Tom aspinall or does Tom Aspen all

jump up past if spivik beats Cyril gone specific beats zero gun you’re going to

see aspiral Rise Up spivik will end up below aspinal I believe so in my opinion

I would think so too that’s where I was leaning at there’s a lot at stake for both of them specific making a huge jump

up into that top two or three you know and um So Gone trying to stake his claim

in that number one number two spot but Sergey pavovic I think is just sitting there waiting to see who the winner of

uh of um Steve mioces and Jon Jones’s so a lot of steak for both these guys a lot

of steak all right let’s go ahead go homemade event co-main event you’re looking at

Rose Nami Eunice going up to flyweight from straw weight and taking on my no Furrow and it’s a

good matchup in the stand-up because you know Pharrell’s good She’s Got Talent to stand up and her ground is getting

better all the time I don’t think that her ground matches up with roses roses although you know sometimes Rose doesn’t

show the confidence in her ground game she’s slick on the ground she she

absolutely can hold position she swings into arm bars and triangles to

transition very well she’s good on the ground now is the fight gonna go there I’m you know not if

you’re if you’re for real you don’t want it to you want to keep it in the stand up but having Rose in the stand up is not that

good because she’s a sniper so it’s gonna be interesting how Rose does with that 10 10 extra pounds does

that help her or does it kind of hurt her you know I’m I’m a huge Rose fan

but I’m just not okay with this up and down stuff like just it seems like

something’s going on with her um just I don’t know if it’s a confidence

thing why are you leaving the weight class you know you were at 1 15 she’s

chance could be champ she already beat the top of the food chain yeah she’s already beating the champion twice yeah

I don’t understand I don’t get it but you know what maybe she wants a new challenge new challenges not to have to

cut the weight and then be there at 125 but there’s a whole difference uh whole different level of animals up

there right I mean these these females can get after it they the size does make a difference a little bit of that size

especially I feel like it’s different for the females more so than it is for the males

I don’t know if the females walk around 15 20 30 pounds over like the males do

so like you know what I mean like if Rose goes up she’s probably walking at 1 30. okay so she cuts five pounds and

fights at 125. if a male was to fight at 115 he’s probably walking 145 or 135 and

cut into 115. but then when they put the weight back on they’re putting it on back up to you know whatever it is 128

or you know from 115 to 128 to 130. so

the gains back on make a big difference um when it comes fight time I I don’t know if it’s that big of a difference in

the jump and how much they weigh and the females they don’t put the weight back on as high as the males do

a lot of them do you think it’s not quite as high yeah not quite as high as

some of the males but if you’re looking at the average of males the women are losing just as much weight they they’re

cutting a lot of weight really yeah they are man okay let’s take a look at you know because every name what’s

that because every female I ever trained whether it’s for Golden Gloves whether it’s for MMA fights every time we got to

the weight cutting part they were just sucked clean and they were only able to get like 10 maybe 14 out and then

they’re done about 15 pounds yeah they’re done males are cutting 20 to 25 some even up to 30. yeah but but you’re

also taking a look at a limited scope of when you’re getting into smaller males they can only lose so

much too the bigger the human being the more they can lose yeah okay and when

you’re looking at the women you’re looking going from Adam weight at 105 up to lightweight that’s the biggest you

know that we have at 155 that you know obviously the Adam weight person is not

going to be able to lose that much weight but it’s it’s comparable

interesting I think that Pharrell is gonna I think she’s certainly she has a good chance to

be Rose I think the I don’t want to say the power I think the speed of road is going to give her some problems the long

jab the combinations the long kicks all of those things but I think the if if

Pharrell is able to keep the constant pressure we’ve seen Rose slow down and if she’s able to trap her against the

fence hang on her a little bit kind of wear her down elbows knees make her carry the extra weight then you’ll see

Rose not be the same fighter by the end of round two because they’re gonna fight it at a different pace Rose is used to fighting those five round fights so she

can Pace herself and fight at a good Pace Dave Dave pull up Rosa’s career I want you to think about something here okay

if you take a look at her record and if you go through that Lit you know the list keep on going down

take a look at the people that have given her problems it’s always people that

usually take the fight to the ground it’s not the stand-up Fighters yeah she does great with stand-up Fighters

it’s always the people that she worries about them taking her down I don’t think

she’s worried about I know taking her down and I think she looks at it as a stand-up fight and if you’re gonna you

know say you know she lost it to Carolina Colbert you know that was a while ago and it was a split decision

but that was one of the only stand-up Fighters that I can really think of her

losing to she just doesn’t lose the stand-up Fighters yeah I mean the way she beat Joanna both times I mean you

want us consider to be I think probably one of the best Santa fighters ever to step foot in the Octagon yep you know so

I look at that and she was able to beat her twice one time TK odor you know and uh

I mean outside of that the only other person I think on the feet they would give her a hard time would have been Valentina you know um she has a loss of

Tisha Torres down there I think the speed of Tisha the in the out the style of which Tisha fights could give people

[ __ ] headaches you know because he’s just like she’s a little tiny tornado she gets in and she gets out before you

can actually touch her you know and that was relatively long ago 2013 that’s a long 10 years ago uh but you know I look

at those fights and I think to myself man you know you’re right John the people that did or were able to beat her

Carlos Esparza um uh Carolina kavich

um those type of Fighters yeah so scroll on up Jessica and Raj with the biggest one really look at the Jessica and Josh

that was a slam yep and then she came back and beat Jessica Andreas in a split though in a split but you know she

knocked out uh Whaley Zhang and then also beat Whaley in the split also in that one then lost to in one of the

worst fights I’ve ever seen in history against Carlos Esparza you had to bring that up had to man I had to because we

all know she’s better than that yeah we all know that both of them are better than that we just couldn’t get it out of them that night it was just bad

you know sometimes and I you got to blame the fighters but it’s

also the the trainers and the coaching staff they come up with a game plan and I I do believe that both women stuck

with that game plan and it just made for just a bad fight yeah yeah I I think the only other fight

that was probably that bad was the uh well I can name a couple

the heavyweights um

horrible that was horrible Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn number two horrible

that’s right I forgot about that one oh God wow all right next fight

our next fight is Benoit Saint Denis who has really come back from a fight that I

really worried about him in when he was uh in Abu Dhabi of fighting on fight Island at the time but he’s taken on the

best fighter that he’s ever faced in Thiago voices

Thiago is good people don’t realize how good he is and I love

say Denise he’s tough he’s good I don’t

think he’s good enough to take out Thiago he’s good and you said you said he’s

tough but toughness is not going to give him past the abilities of Thiago Moises

is wrestling his power in his feet his confidence now on the feet all of those

things are confidence on the ground yeah every all those things that he possesses

and it’s more of the technique is who is the better technical fighter and who is

fought higher level of competition I’m gonna say Thiago that’s not close yeah it’s gonna be Tiaro so moistas I think

is he’s really just gonna and don’t like it I think people look at him and go oh yeah but he’s lost to this

guy let’s say he’s lost to some really good Fighters and he’s gonna say who who’s he lost to scroll up he’s lost his

stuff he’s lost to all studs look how much okay so Islam was one of them

um he uh Joe Alvarez um is magulaf but uh banil Darius scroll on up

oh no the other way but up the other way no that’s I saw winds up there

so just Joe Alvarez Islam and uh Darius I mean just a couple names you know to

think about uh but just he’s tough he’s tough don’t look at the six and be like oh man he’s lost six times no no no he’s

fought tough Fighters and those tough Fighters sure he’s come up short but his fight with Islam it was a good

fight he bought his ass off in that fight you know it was a good fight he gave his um some some problems in some areas and um

but no overall good I just think technically he is a better Fighter um

on the feet on the ground the the Inside the Cage the fight IQ is there all of

those things are there and I think he’s gonna I could see a potential finish in this fight although Saint Denise is very

very uh stubborn there’s no quit in that man so

but we got Volcan osnemir taking on Bogdan

Gustav this is one of those ones but Bogdan is is one of those guys

people look at and they go ah he’s not that good yeah he just he just wins

he just wins and look Volcan has had his moments where he shined in the stand up

he’s got power he’s got good you know length to him he hits like a truck when

you know he connects it’s guys taking him to the ground and being able to control him that’s a big part of this

and does Bogdan do that I’m not sure that he’s going to be able to get Vulcan

there and keep him there enough times during the fight but it’s a it’s a really good it’s a close matchup you

know I would say it’s a close matchup but I would lean more towards owes the mirror depending on which ozamir shows up the one that fights smart the one

that doesn’t make mistakes is the fight goes on towards the end of the fight he’s a he’s probably one of the best

fighters I’ve seen in that first round into that second round as he starts to get tired he starts

making mistakes and he just sometimes let the fight slip away gets caught with a big shot he gets rocked whatever it is

you know it gives up takedowns and then just kind of concedes the position you can’t concede the position you’ve got to

keep working to get up I remember when he exploded on the scene man he was so good he came in everyone’s all hype

about him and stuff and he had some great fights uh but bogdonna is gonna be able to kind of press that fence he’s

going to try to get in his face grind on him a little bit you know I’m not saying he’s gonna be able to get the takedown

osmere’s gotten a lot better at stuff and takedowns getting his back off the fence all of those things but I’m gonna actually lean with uh with uh almost to

mirror on this one I think I think it’s that kind of that moment of truth you know you’ve got you’ve got a looks like

they’ll probably be opening the car to the second fight on the card and so um I’m looking to see if he’s going to be

able to uh carry the weight they need him they need him to to carry the weight

they need either either God to step up and be one of those guys that they can count on in the light heavyweight

division well they need someone to open up this car to make it make it um exciting you know probably know the

opening because if it’s uh that would make it only four face no I know but I think I think Gomez versus yeah but this

first fight they’re gonna have this this first fight’s gonna be good but they’re gonna they’re gonna need someone to back up the next one because then you got

Thiago and Saint Denise Thiago could just take him down and hold him down and do the ground and pound and control the

top position against Saint Denise and then the same thing with rose and uh and

Pharrell like you can see but they could be a stand-up fight or one of them could try getting the

other one to the ground to slow it down and control the top position so got to be careful on these fights next next

fight William Gomez versus Giannis gamuri

both guys 12 and 2 for Gomez I think uh 12-1 for Giannis

both guys talented and I think that’s why they have them opening up this card both guys are fast both guys move well

ground game both are good you know they can take the fight there

they can be there they’re not they’re not those guys that you’re looking at to they’re not uh kind of you know submit a

world champion but both guys have talent there this is an even fight this is this

is a tough one for me to pick I agree and both guys got Motors too yeah I’m gonna lean with Gomez though a little

bit I think um I believe the reach on him is going to be a little bit more than Giannis is it I think so can you

pull it up the reach yeah on Gomez

what’s his reach I gotta I gotta Google it so okay I I think the reach would be a little

bit more on the speed that needs to be a little bit more okay and so I think we’ll give you speed

okay that’s why he’s called the Jaguar he’s fast but 73 inch reach

yeah right there what’s compared to compared to you were fast on that day but you got to

be faster to bring up the next no wrong guy

there we go that’s a that’s a horrible last name to

have to spell um rich on here it doesn’t have it on it

must be it’s his first UFC fight it must be really short oh look it’s you got to figure 73 inches

for a featherweight that’s decent yeah it’s decent so it probably it probably does have a

little bit you know profile on him in a yes they don’t even have a profile on them yeah I mean I’ve seen gummy fight

it’s good It’s Got Talent man so but I agree with you I think Gomez has got the

advantage of the fight John is there any other fights on here you want to chat about let’s go down to the first two fights on this card so we can take a

look at it I didn’t see them no no

down there three boss rot I think Lewis is taking on uh McKee again Reese McKees

came back into the UFC uh he had one of those uh I guess uh

I don’t want to say what do you say uh not two lucky fights against a guy named

uh kamzot I think that was it comes out second fight quick against uh jeez

where’s McKee but yeah he’s a tough dude and he’s actually a good fighter so

it’ll be nice to see him against loosa all right was Jocelyn Edwards her last

fight she got knocked out click on that no Jocelyn Edwards won her

last fight but it was I didn’t I think there was a one of those ones where most people thought she lost

yep yep yep she did against putulova got it got it restaurant there was one I

thought I can’t remember I thought it was Jocelyn Edwards all right well hey that’s gonna wrap over UFC talk before we move on and go to onlyfans.com

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else what else you got first Dave yeah uh first thing here is we got news

already yeah we got news already yes uh reports here that Ronda Rousey from

daily mail saying that she she had a hard stop in WWE at the SummerSlam

because she was wanting to get back into training for MMA and so there is talks about UFC 200 a return that’s reports

from a daily UFC 300 300 uh

and then uh Dana White did shut it down at one of the last press conferences

reported otherwise so I just want to get your thoughts on the potential face you may have a UFC 300 well first

off you can’t blame Dana for you know if that is something that he’s worked on he

doesn’t want to put that out right away in there you know so I don’t blame him for uh dismissing it and not being

truthful with it what do you expect he’s the promoter he wants to bring it out if that’s something he’s working on he

wants to bring about where it’s going to work best for the sale of that that show and

everything so that means nothing he’s done that before you know

was a line it’s really not a lie it’s a it’s misinformation let’s see no what it

is it is it gives it gives him the opportunity to promote the fight with the way he wants to promote it and not

have the media promote it that way secondly what it does is it doesn’t put any added pressure on the Ronda Rousey

if she decides that she doesn’t want to do it she gets into training camp is like [ __ ] this is not what I remember it

being like and I can relate to that I went to jiu jitsu this morning I was like this sucks so look there’s a lot of

reasons they don’t want to announce it because then that fighter feels like they’re back into a corner and they have to do it

um they don’t they don’t want to announce it because they want the ability to control the narrative on how they want to promote it and that makes

sense I mean so like John was saying it’s not a lie it’s just that look as of right now

we’re still scribbling it down on a napkin before we rent out this game plan and that’s kind of what they’re doing so

let them do their thing look so-called journalists have lost their jobs for breaking things early because

you know they weren’t ready for it so this is what happened that was the 200 yeah oh for 200.

so it’s it just it just comes down to you you got to let the promotions do what they do and that’s called promoting

and look okay but be honest think about this I could see her coming back but if she

did come back who do you think that they would match her up with Miesha Tate

exactly that’s the exact person I would think that they would but make sure that 25 maybe maybe holiday home

I don’t think a holly home now I could see maybe yeah maybe you don’t think they’ve ever Pena

no not even close no no

I was thinking they would you know possibly a Miesha Tate you know she’s got two wins against Misha

uh Misha would like to do that I love that one back and uh yep

it would be something that Rhonda would kind of go into with confidence yeah

which is what she needs you know that’s what she needs Misha’s not known as a big puncher

so but I mean I could also see that that Rhonda wants that fight back with Holly

yeah maybe for a second one yeah that’s what I’m saying like she she wants oh you think a second one you

don’t think a first one no no I think I think she needs to get a

and I’m not saying she’d get the win against Misha maybe she doesn’t but if she gets a win against Misha

that gives her confidence she’s gonna feel better about things she’s cutting there’s she’s got the monkey off her back as far

as her last fight being a loss the last two fights being losses so

I think she needs a win and she needs to gain confidence before taking on someone

like Holly who you know has a win over I guess I mean if you’re gonna get in if

you’re gonna get in you might as well get it against the one that you want to beat I mean I feel like there’s more pressure when

you’ve already beaten someone twice what have I gotta prove you know Trevor pranglin when he fought jail he beat him

twice both times both fights together were under three minutes yeah like not one fight and then one

fight under three no both of them together combine the time limits for under three minutes Trevor seven Trevor

something third one yeah until the third one and the motivation I could see Trevor was like ah he’s gonna take me

down I’m gonna hit him with submission it’s gonna be over that didn’t work that way it didn’t work that way at all and

uh one I think what happens the reality check is when you get in there and it’s not the way you had planned it you start

reeling going man what how do I fix this what do I well it’s too late it’s a snowball it’s already done it’s already

running downhill and you can’t catch up to it and so um I look at like she doesn’t gain anything by beating Misha

I’m doing me wrong I’d still love to watch it um you know I love watching both of them fight but um there’s a lot I feel like

there’s a lot more nerves for me anyways there would be a lot more nerves knowing that I’ve already beat that person twice

there’s not really much for me take a look at how long the layoff take a look

at how long the layoff is it’s been a long time what is it six years five years yeah yeah six I think six seven

years right yeah when was the last time she fought it’s been at least at least at least five

2016. oh wow almost 26 years by the time she fights yeah

yeah yeah yeah that’s a long time damn it’s a long time yeah so I mean six years

I mean I I don’t know I think I look at the way Holly has been fighting lately speed is not what it used to be

um the movement still is not really what it used to be all those things but we don’t know what holiday we don’t know

Holly we don’t know what um uh Rondo Ronald would be like so it’s a lot I

don’t I don’t think that she has like look getting into a camp though how old is is Rhonda

she left when she was a baby oh yeah 30 years old when she left man John I’m

gonna I’m gonna I think I’m gonna call it man I think that Ron is gonna end up fighting Holly Holm I think she wants to have one back I

think that one bugs her the most I don’t think the mission ones I don’t think she thinks anything of it like

I’ve already beat her twice what am I gonna do I’m looking forward to seeing 36 she’s not too old I was thinking maybe she was

38 she don’t look she don’t even look 36 but I’m saying I thought she left when she was like 34 30 you know I was like

okay I get 33 34. no she was she’s young jeez she was in her

just 30. she was a baby all right she then she went off and had babies there you go there you go

all right good for her though man if she does come back good if she doesn’t hey enjoy the rest of your life

all right next what else you got for us all right we have a fight announcement we have a 185 Brandon Allen versus Paul

Craig for November 18th Dave always finds a way to bring this up boy he likes bringing in Parker I tell you what

you got it podcast Dave was right about Paul Craig going down to 185 though he looked

really good and he was his his stand-up looked efficient I’m not gonna say it was great

but it’s efficient it was efficient enough for him to take a fight to the ground get you know

a win so Brennan Allen is a guy that’s got good stand up he’s got a good ground game obviously I don’t think he’s got a

ground game that he wants to get into a a ground battle with Paul Craig that wouldn’t be the smartest thing I think

you’re gonna see uh Brennan Allen trying to use his speed and his angles in trying to get uh Paul Craig out of there

while on the feet will that body size and that strength of

Paul Craig be enough to be able to get him down and control the top position I

don’t think that Paul Craig wants to be Underneath Him because Brandon Allen’s not bad from the top position he’s got a

good ground he’s got a good submission defense he’s got good submissions look it’s one thing to go from the 205 pound

division where a lot of those guys at 205 they’re like they’re athletic more

athletic than heavyweights obviously but but my point but they’re not all they’re

not all great Grapplers whereas Paul Paul Craig is a good Grappler at 185 the

Grapplers start to get a little bit better they start to know this they know the ground a little bit more now

I know that the the top guys in that division are the the strikers you know but it’s uh or used to be um uh Alex in

but it is still Izzy but it’s like you know you’ve got Paula Costa you’ve got Izzy who else is at the at that top

division in the top there do plus with duplexes Striker you know um Canon ears

got big Powers Yeah vittori good good striking you know Strickland good

striking Paul Acosta good striking delete Z can do it all uh Brunson more of a wrestler her Manson more of a Reno

Russell Grappler uh yeah but I mean I look at that should be I don’t know I think I think it’s gonna be a good fight

I think that Paul Craig if he can get this fight control I’m running alley he’s gonna have to he’s gonna have to do the whole Rocky

and the chicken thing man he’s gonna have to cut the cage off not take any big shots coming in and uh clinch him up

get to I wish he would learn how to use like I was talking about the heavyweights John foot sweeps body locks

big lifts not lifts but big like body lock lift the foot a little bit and sweep it you don’t have to do them but

just a tilt yeah just a little something man so you don’t have to lift the whole body again just get that weight going in

a direction as you block it off it drives me crazy when I see guys just shooting double legs it’s double legs

and double legs against the fence I’m like what are you doing what are you doing

so but hey it works for him man he’s he’s okay with you know falling down onto it to a leg lock to try to get to

the top position or pulling people in the guard and you know physically I think he is uh he’s a specimen man he’s

I feel like he’s phys physically really strong and I think he’ll be strong for the weight class so we’ll see we’ll see what

happens if Styles make matchups so we’re gonna see how this fight ever plays out that’s it

all right what else what is it good all right let’s move on to this next one here um Demetrius Johnson and make comments

about uh how easy it is to become an MMA champion and Josh I know you had some beef with this comment and I’ll let you

go no no John you said you had some stuff to say so I’m gonna let you go first and before we even start though

how much do we love Demetrius Johnson I loved it we love DJ Master he is someone

that carries himself with class no matter what he does and where he goes and I still think he’s probably top one

or two pound-for-pound list right now uh still to this day he is a fantastic

fighter he is more of a fantastic person and uh but I am gonna I am gonna poke a

little uh some little barbs at him for this one but go right ahead John is there so you you were texting earlier on

the on the thread that we were talking about you were gonna say something go ahead I I’m just you know look at numbers alone tell you that Demetrius is

wrong all right and I know he says look at Brock Lesnar heavyweights is a different breed and

you’ve got to look at it that way because you could take someone like a Brock Lesnar who’s a very good athlete

fast for a big big man that can wrestle that’s the kind of person that in the

heavyweight division can actually become the champion and you gotta also I’m not putting you know my man down in in any

way but Randy Couture when he lost to Brock Lesnar was how old

so that had a little bit to do with Brock being effective at that time as Randy was you know he was 45 46 years of

age at the time so it’s not like it when he was coming off of a long layoff because he was

trying to actually get free from the UFC so there’s all kinds of things that happen with it and everything but

just let’s take a look at how many how many boxing

weight classes are there there’s a lot how many I don’t know 12 17. there you go 17 boxing weight

classes okay all the way from minimum weight to heavyweight but they you know everything in between is you know

bantamweight super bantamweight you know featherweight super featherweight lightweight super light they have all

it’s 17. okay so you have 17 weight classes and then let’s take a look at

you have the WBC the WBA the WBO the ibf because if you’re really taking a look

at being a champion in MMA it’s got to be one of

four is the way I look at it all right it’s the UFC it’s Bellator it’s the pfl it’s one so

you got those four because those are the top four now I’m not saying I don’t it’s I give credit to guys to fight in ksw

there’s some great Fighters there but it’s not considered the same as world

champion a lot because most people that’s always in for the most part usually in Poland it’s not gonna be the

same you could look and say ryzen okay but for the most part it’s going to be

those four so now it’s that’s the same as you know WBA WBO you know WBC all that stuff and

there’s even more as far as the sanctioning bodies for boxing but you’ve already got 17 weight classes the most

you could have the most you could have in MMA is to say that there’s 14 weight classes

okay but first off no one uses super heavyweight okay and then you’ve got the weight

class of 175 and 165 that no one uses

there’s never been a champion either one so you got to get rid of those all right so really you’re talking about about 10 because you have atom weight

mostly mostly women you don’t have any men champions in that all right you do

have straw weight straw weight works for women we don’t have any men champions in that and it really starts with men at

flyweight and we have obviously fly weight at 125 pounds for women too so when you’re taking a look at saying

women it’s going to go from Adam weight to Upper

you know category at light lightweight if you’re going to go with men it’s going to go from flyweight to

heavyweight that’s basically you’re looking at 10. so now you’ve got 10 weight classes instead of 17 weight

classes how is it going to be easier to become Champion When there’s less

it’s just not okay there’s more chances to become Champion as a boxer than there

is as an MMA fighter just numbers wise now you can sit there and say anything you want about yeah but take a look at

some of these things Josh tell me how many people have you known that have won multiple

titles in MMA looks like what a handful D.C Connor

um okay you know and they’re there John Jones John Jones D.C Connor you know

Pitbull yeah you know there there are there are guys out there that have done it but they’re

they’re you know it’s not that common a thing okay name me a guy that’s one three

none three three different weight classes in the king of the cage

that’s not world champion I don’t go with you know someone winning the United States no one’s done it title no one’s

done it nobody okay so how many titles and just you know this taking nothing away but let’s take a look who’s won the

most titles of any boxer ever weight classes titles Manny Pacquiao

okay eight eight different titles and weight classes

okay because he started off as a just ungodly small guy yeah

the next I I believe no one’s got seven sixes Oscar De La Hoya okay

but you can take a look you know there’s a ton of guys that have had four you know guys that are still fighting today

and everything but if you go back and you look at old boxing when Like Sugar

Ray Robinson was fighting and you take a look at that time when there was eight

weight classes how many guys had multiple titles well Sugar Ray Robinson was one he had

welterweight he won the middleweight right and he lost at light heavyweight even

though he’s winning the whole fight it wasn’t an easy thing to do with all the weight classes it’s become

much easier to do and so when I look at what Demetrius is saying you can just go off of numbers and go not really true

to sit there and say title wise there’s a lot of titles out there there’s a lot of titles you know you can look at and

say King in the cage LFA you know Titan Victory all these different promotions

out there ksw like I was saying octagon there’s so many different promotions but

those are not World titles okay I’m gonna go in a different direction but can you play the what he

said Dave which one no what to me what DJ said oh

oh can you play what he said it’s a video clip yeah let me see I’m gonna leave I didn’t

even hear what he said yeah I just thought all right give me a second I’ll get over

here okay I gotta move over here no worries no worries far away look I’m gonna go and I’m gonna go in a different

direction I’m gonna stick a strictly stick with what he is talking about because I listened to it earlier I’m gonna go in the direction that he’s

talking so I understand where you went with the boxing and I completely agree and I was actually kind of Veer off in

that way in a little bit of a rant too but you cleared that up for everybody a lot better than I probably would have so

um but let’s go ahead and see if we can hear him what he said and wait before and I love Luke Thomas

I imagine this will upset some MMA better Enders but Mighty Mouse is very much correct let me

go ahead and uh hear what Mighty Mouse has to say mixed martial arts is the easiest sport to become a champion in because when you

when you fight boxing it’s boxing every person you fight in boxing is gonna be good at boxing everybody you fight in

kickboxing is gonna be good at kickboxing when you do mixed martial arts you’re gonna have people who have significant big holes in them right you

have a guy like Alex Pierre he’s six in one nice seven one he’s became a world champion he makes martial arts right so

or that person he they’re both good at striking but once somebody comes into mixed martial arts they can have a huge

hole in mixed martial arts and become a world champion right like they can have no wrestling experience and still become

a world champion you look at Brock Lesnar he became a world champion in mixed martial arts and he had no

stand-up experience whatsoever so that’s why you say mixed martial arts is the easy sport to become a world champion because you can have the efficiencies

and still become a world champion in boxing kickboxing you can’t have any deficiencies you have to be a good boxer

in order to become a world champion you have you just have to okay so he does have a point there are

holes in people’s games in MMA because there’s so many different types of martial arts so many things allowed so

many things allowed correct and he is he is correct in that that uh area but where I’m gonna try to pick this apart a

little bit I love DJ and I think he’s he I understand what he’s trying to say

but using Brock and using Alex as an example and I’m going to use him as an example as well

is you just pick the three weakest weight classes in the whole Sport and I’ve always said this and John drives

John nuts but I’m going to continue to say it heavyweights 205 Pounders and 125 Pounders are the weakest weight class

there’s not a lot of them out there that are good that are good and well-rounded

DJ that’s why he is so damn good that’s why he’s such a freak is because he’s so

good everywhere he’s good on the feet he’s got good wrestling he’s extremely Dynamic and fast he’s fight IQ is

[ __ ] probably the best in the game we’ve ever seen he is a brilliant fighter nobody else is on his level and

there’s not a lot of them at 125. there’s not a lot of guys that are walking around 125 pounds or 140 pounds

that can make 125 and fight at the level of him no Henry suhuto was the only one

out of the years that he was the champion there that even gave him somewhat of a challenge you know I mean

there was um the guy from The Ultimate Fighter that came on it was a yeah but but uh but DJ ran away with it

DJ was a very dominant DJ still is a dominant fighter at the heavyweight division anytime and I’ve said this

repeatedly Brock Lesnar came in if you have a wrestler in the heavyweight division they are nine times out of ten

gonna win that division because heavyweights do not wrestle if you look at the guys that are there right now

none of them really can wrestle some of them now are starting to get good on the ground why do you think like guys like

verdum were so good why do you think guys like Cain Velasquez in DC were so good Jon Jones at heavyweight is going

to be [ __ ] a terror because he can wrestle and he’s got submissions and he can strike I mean these guys are so good

in those areas and when you talk about Alex getting to 185 which I have said the 85 pound division

is probably one of the weakest if not the weakest division in the sport and it’s not I’m not knocking Izzy I’m not

knocking Alex I’m not knocking anybody at father 185 I’m just simply telling you that is where the weight classes

start to uh separate from each other at 185 pounds those athletes are playing

football baseball or had dreams of being football players and baseball players and tennis players or whatever sports

that actually make a [ __ ] ton of money they ran with that because they were probably on that level so you’re not

going to get those Fighters the top level athletes that come into fighting when like why the hell would I get

punched in the face when I have a chance to play college ball and then maybe make it to the pros and make millions and

millions of dollars you know in hundreds of millions of dollars and so those Fighters have taken themselves out of

that equation in terms of MMA those are the things that I’m looking at when I’m hearing his argument you took the the

weight classes in Alex brahara they made that that opportunity and that’s where this is a little this is a little shady

too it’s not shady it’s just that the promotion knew the Izzy had been a run and they wanted it you’ve been on a run

but he had he had had a kickboxing career with this individual who had

beaten him several times one and by Decision One by knockout and he looked at it this is

called marketing and so they pushed that agenda and that’s where it’s different from that’s when you were talking about

the boxing that’s where it’s different the UFC has the ability to put somebody in there and build them to get them to

the title faster than if somebody was in boxing where no we’ll wait yeah we’ll wait until we’re

ready to fight you though that’s why we never see the best boxers fight the best box it’s awesome it’s also because you

have a sanctioning body that WBA or WBC that don’t get along they don’t agree on

a certain thing so that fighter gets pushed down one gets pushed up there’s a lot of things behind the scenes that

take place in those so that fighter can’t can’t at that

you know I to say can’t most of the time almost 100 percent

unless you’re Vasily lomachenko you’re not going to get that championship fight right away because

there’s too many guys that have these records that are being you know kind of padded but not all but most of them are

being padded if you’re a lomachenko you get it based upon 400 fights in the

amateurs two gold medals things like that I was sitting with with the manager the other day and having a conversation

with him and he was talking about how look if you’re if you’re a boxer you are you are you know you’re the best

boxer in the world and in my mind I’m like no you don’t because your promoter is probably holding you a back away from

the best boxers in the world because they don’t want you to lose because you’re the cash cow it’s no different

than when you watch what Rocky 3 Clubber Lang and Rocky Balboa his manager kept

him away from that Fighter for how long because he didn’t want him to fight him because he knew he couldn’t beat him because Rocky’s head was in a different

area whatever it was okay I’m giving you guys something to feed it off of but it really comes down to that the promoters

um of each fighter in boxing has the ability look at Eddie Hearn yes Eddie Hearn has

Anthony Joshua Anthony Joshua Beats freaking Klitschko and is the monster

and he was keeping him away from people and he puts him in a fight with Andy

Ruiz Andy Ruiz beats him and that won’t because he was trying to manipulate exactly what you’re talking about

so and so when it what happens is if they play their favors whether it’s the promoters for boxing and whether it’s

the promoters in whatever MMA promotion they’re trying to fast track someone to get there so no

I’m not I’m not in agreeance with him maybe that is easy to become Champion maybe it’s easier I should say to become

Champion but in the heavyweight 205 185 and 125. okay but I had I I’m sorry no

one’s coming off the street six and one and winning the title in the lightweight and the featherweight and the bantamweight division

uh [ __ ] I call [ __ ] there’s just no way you know I would even say the

same thing about 170 that’s that 35 to 70 pound range those guys they’re the

most well-rounded fighters in the game I mean outside of DJ you know they’re the most well-rounded fighters in the game

they’re [ __ ] animals they’re good on the feet they’re good wrestling the the years of the the double Leg Takedown

being effective it’s they’re far and gone in those weight classes gone you’ve got a chain wrestle you’ve got to hit

the single to the double to the fence and then bounce you off the fence and lift and scoop and turn you away from the fence and get you back in the middle

of the cage those days are though that that’s what it is now the old days they’re gone the Striking has gotten so

much better they’re just animals on the feet now checking kicks kicking the rear leg mixing up the combinations and

you’re like man I didn’t even think these people can move like that these kids are [ __ ] animals in those weight

classes so I disagree with him got nothing but respect for him but he chose

the weight classes to pick his argument and of course those are the weakest weight classes in the sport now I’m not

saying like I’m going to repeat again not saying that those Fighters are not spectacular I’m just saying that the the

well-roundedness of those divisions are not there and the amount of people in

the flyweight division is just not there okay you have top two or three and that’s it there’s not there’s not a lot

in that division to choose from so I love DJ uh I understand where he

was going with it and why he thinks that way but that ain’t happening from 135 to 170. nobody’s coming in like Alex for

Harry came in and started and is going to win titles in six seven fights it ain’t gonna happen and someone can can

you point out someone that has done that in those weight classes I mean outside of since the beginning of the sport B.J

Penn or anything like that you know don’t go with the beginning of the sport because there just wasn’t enough there but I mean you can take all right I’m

gonna get killed for this but let’s just be on well let’s just be honest about it

Mike Tyson great fighter yeah yeah yeah okay most people most

people would say so and you take a look at Mike Tyson in his career and what he did and what did Mike

Tyson live off of his power he lived off of Power okay he wasn’t a guy that you know yes

he had a jab that he would throw you used you know a certain you know peekaboo style of of boxing and stuff

but when someone could match him in intensity and Power

things started to fall off for him take a look at you know when when Mike Tyson yeah he won the title but who did he win

it against Trevor berbick was it the great heavyweight champion no okay when

he fought quality Fighters the big guy the big time guys Evander Holyfield came

from the cruiserweight he was a Cruiserweight Champion comes up starts beating guys in the heavyweight he ends

up beating Buster Douglas because Tyson loses to him and then he’s supposed to fight Tyson and that whole thing falls

apart you know when Tyson goes to prison which was [ __ ] but is what it is I’m just saying and so

finally when he comes out Tyson gets the title again you know he fights Peter Neely gets the title and then he’s the

champion gonna face Holyfield after Holyfield had lost a terrific bow and stuff but

take a look at those fights the first fight Evander

Holyfield against Mike Tyson it’s a good fight but Mike Tyson gets beat by a guy that

can doesn’t back down to him can take his shot and does it back down because

Mike Tyson was a power [ __ ] you know heavyweight champion he lived

off of Power but that’s the same as Brock Lesnar being one dimensional with his wrestling

I’m not I’m not comparing Mike Tyson and Brock Lesnar but you’ve got to take a look in heavyweight

divisions be it in boxing or MMA many guys are one-dimensional you don’t get

the guys that are fantastic boxers you know our leads came came around you know

one time okay and Ali for the most part didn’t hit hard until he would set his feet and

then he could hit hard because he was a big heavyweight and he could throw but most of the time he was moving around so

he was up in the air a lot of times and he would just piece you up with all this volume and everything but you take a

look heavyweights as a whole be it in boxing or MMA you could be more of a

one-dimensional type of guy and be successful and win that championship

you know same as what Brock Lesnar did I don’t know I just look at numerically it tells you

you can sit there and take a look at anything there’s way more weight classes

way more ways to become a champion as a boxer well my my thing with the boxing

industry is that they just you don’t know because they’re they there’s Fighters out there that are so

damn good that don’t work with an agent don’t work with a manager or they don’t want to work with that manager so they

don’t get signed by anyone and then that person just falls off into the abyss like that that happens to these boxers

all the time they’re putting in all their work they’re having great performances on the lower shows but no one will sign them no big agent

will sign them or they do sign them and they don’t do [ __ ] with them they just get them beat by one of their other fighters who they think is more

marketable so no I don’t think that the best boxers are always the ones that are

40-0 or 50-0 or whatever 20-0 going into boxing because they’ve got padded

records to get themselves there and secondly if that person’s undefeated that’s the one thing I hate about boxing

the person who is undefeated is going to always get pushed as if he’s the better boxer than the person who’s got one or

two more losses what we’ve seen in MMA that that’s not true give that fighter

an opportunity but boxing doesn’t do that once you lose your o you’re pretty much forgotten or if you have one more

fight and you lose again you get two losses you’re pretty much forgotten the outside of the ones I’ve been able to

survive that Sugar Shane Mosley uh you know Oscar De La Hoya you know I mean

like uh Pernell Whitaker like these guys they were only able to get away with it and and kodo they’re the only way to get

away they were only able to get get away with it because they had each other to fight because they knew that these

margaritas and those guys they knew that they no matter where you matched them up [ __ ] the fans were going to get a great

fight that’s not the case in every single boxing match so look I I’m going to say this it’s a

[ __ ] to become a world champion in boxing and in MMA yeah true not easy

no it’s not it’s not I just didn’t like that he used the example of the two of the weight classes that you know and I’m

like hey man so all right well hey what else you got for us Dave yo let’s look at this uh Bellator 300

announced the rest of their card uh I say to the main card that was already released and just want to get your

thoughts on the rest of this card if there’s anything no word they Define should know about oh there’s a couple in

there this is you know the McMahon versus McCourt good good to see Sarah McMahon

coming back fast we’ve seen that Leah McCourt she’s just tough she will take on and she’ll fight with anyone she’s uh

really good on the ground her stand-up’s gotten better but I want to say that Henry Corrales is taking on Kai kamaka

III that’s a great fight kaikamaka has really come into his own

he’s now fighting smart he’s fast he’s got great wrestling he’s got super good

stand up and he loves to just throw his hands he’s a crazy Hawaiian you know you just gotta just scrap broad he’s got

that mentality so that is a great fight and then Bobby saronio III versus Alberto Garcia is another one that’s a

great fight yeah those are the those are the two fights that I was looking at to be honest and I’m thinking to myself man

ceronio is from the Bay Area I know him I know his family no he’s fan base he

can he can sell tickets man he is a big dream he’s good everyone he’s good everywhere his last performance wasn’t

great I don’t know what was going on but it wasn’t a great performance he could have done a lot better I know he still won but it wasn’t a great performance

and he’s Dynamic good on the ground good on the feet Taekwondo style stand up with

good submissions and good uh takedowns so looking forward to seeing him back in the cage and then Henry cross and Kai

kamaka I can’t say enough about kamaka man and I like Henry cross a lot Henry cros same thing Henry has turned

basically though into just boxing not a lot of kicking if you kiss a little bit more he’s got good kicks he just chooses

not to use him he used him a little bit more in his last fight which helped open up his striking but Kai kamaka is fine

like he just got a [ __ ] into the stick in the UFC when he was there and then when he was when he left and came over

to Bellator it was just a good I think it was just a good fit they allowed himself to build himself back up and

then now his last two fights he has really been on on point uh his

confidence is there and you’re seeing a different version of kakamak and I’m looking forward to seeing him fight

especially against Henry next yep all right the next fight here did

you want to go through any more of this no this is good no no okay okay um so this next one is uh John fetch was

talking to Jimmy Smith and part on a podcast and he was talking about um managers getting sued

um and all this and Josh I’ve listened to this a couple times you you understand a little bit better I do have the clip the audio clip before we play

it here for you yeah and then you get you guys just to respond to it anything you want to see before I roll the clip well look people have been hitting us up

about this whole class action lawsuit thing they got pushed through a little bit further but John and I the reason

why we haven’t talked about it is because it has so much further to go there’s so many things there’s so many

different steps and I think this definitely is a step in the right direction but I’m not going to go putting all my eggs in one basket and

start saying oh this is a big deal this it is a big deal okay but there’s so much more that needs to happen before we

should all start getting excited okay before we all start getting a little wet down there okay so let’s just like take

it one step at a time and I understand but where I wanted to point out was John Fitch brought up a good point in this

scenario there is there has been emails like apparently

exchanged and there has been conversations back and forth that apparently are being have been recorded

are are on file or in some sort of what is it called discovery where Fighters

these these managers have been left out of this class action lawsuit and I won’t

be surprised if managers have come come into this because like Shawn O’Malley

was saying these managers you need to fear the managers that are in cahoots or close

friends with with the promoters because those promoters or those managers

could be potentially selling you out for other things and John you want to listen

to what John Fitch had to say there first yeah yeah let’s let’s hear it there Dave all right here we go

what are you really looking forward to when it comes to this trial when it comes to discovery which got noticeable

gas by the way in the courtroom like oh my God it’s all going to be unsealed what is what do you want out there I

gotta correct one thing about that on the ceiling okay uh the Unseen so there

was over like like a hundred thousand like it’s more like a million there’s so many documents that have been collected in Discovery

right a lot of the meat of like dirty managers and dirty tricks behind the

scenes are are in there but not all of those things were admitted into the

court case so the things that are going to be unsealed are only the documents and only

the stuff that is specifically being used in the court case so there’s there’s a lot of managers who are

dodging a bullet right now because there’s a lot of guys who can and should be sued for breaching that fiduciary

responsibility for their athlete uh for people who don’t know a manager has a fiduciary responsibility to their client

not the promotion itself and what happens a lot of times is um Fighters want to managers want to get

in with the promotion more than they want to help out their fire that’s am I correct and they play the long game if

they’re if they’re buddy buddy with the promoter if they hook the promoter up if they do favors for the promoter and

screw over their athletes they get more money and more opportunities from the promoter the athlete has a short

lifespan they’ll get a new one he’ll go somewhere else he’ll retire the the manager will stay there and keep making

money keep screwing people over and like and it can go even deeper than that I

think uh on um uh Nate Quarry has a story about his manager not telling him

about a a fight that was offered a title shot fight that was offered that would have paid him pretty well

and not even telling him and offering it to him and so he could give it to one of his teammates because he wanted that guy

to get the money instead of Nate so that that’s a violation of fiduciary

responsibility you screwed over one of his athletes to booster another uh athlete and probably do something Buddy

Buddy for the promoter are those the kind of messages and the kind of let’s say a dirty laundry that

you would like to see aired yes that’s the type of stuff that people need to understand about their managers a lot of

them are undercutting you and screwing you over okay

go imma let you go and then what no go ahead go ahead I mean there has been a

lot of like Sean O’Malley brought this a little bit up you know and I did a small little Punk’s opinion on it and um

but this is exactly what he’s talking about this is where he is this is the

things that he’s talking about where your manager is Buddy Buddy with the promoter a buddy buddy with an

organization and next thing you know you’re not getting the fights that you

want but your your manager’s other clients could be and how is that

possible or how is it being worked out or why is so and so getting this and I’m

not getting this now some of it could be marketability some of it could be just your bad attitude some of it could be

all of those things but your manager has like they say a fiduciary right to

take care of you if an offer is presented to the UFC or presented to the

UFC presents to your manager yeah by the promoter to the to the manager they by law are supposed

to at least tell you about it and say if you don’t want to you don’t want it cool but they have to inform you

of what the offer is and um and these type of things

I’ve Contin I continue to think this John maybe maybe I’m wrong I think it’s

going to turn into when when promotions start to go away and Bellator does go away and we don’t no one knows okay and

if anyone tells you they do know whether the whole Bellator thing’s gonna go away they don’t no one knows nothing is nothing’s changed my thing is this is

this can go into when promotions start falling off you’re gonna start seeing

some pay-to-play situations like how the how the coaches from the end uh from

college used to pay players to come to their organization now will it be

Fighters managers paying promotions to get their fighters in even though they’re not the best fighter

and that’s the Buddy Buddy situation like kind of did you did you just say a manager paying the promotion yeah is

that what you just said there’s no managers gonna pay no promotion they’re not taking any money

out of their pockets let’s be honest as far as that okay

name the guy that’s going to be paid I’m just I’m just saying I’m it’s gonna get to a point if when there’s only one

location to go or two locations to go okay I think I think you’re gonna start seeing

or let’s just say it’s not pay let’s say it’s okay look I’ll give you these two guys for the price of one

those set like I’ll give you I’ll give you my two fighters from here instead of me taking them over there where I know

you want I’ll give you if you take this one and this one both I’ll give you a third one you know those type of deals

will happen I’ll give you this third guy also like you know and bring him along too and that those type of agreement

those type of negotiations will be made

I’m not going to sit there and say that a fighter you know that is

of a caliber and I’m just I’m not going to use the name no but it is absolute

that a manager will use a top-tier talent fighter that they manage

to bring in other Fighters that they manage into a promotion no doubt they do

that they’re going to use the influence of that star fighter that they have to

help bring other guys that they’re managing into getting a contract with

that promotion that happens now yeah I know that I know that that’s just part of it

is really not that the fighter themselves who’s being used

he’s not losing anything in that and like I’m gonna put it out there right now there’s some really good managers

out there there’s some really good decent guys who really care about their clients and and do things right and

there’s been guys that I looked at and I go you’re scum because I don’t like the

way that they they deal with things and it’s you know that’s just going to be that way I think what John is trying to

say to Jimmy here is I wish the judge would pull these

managers into this class action suit but it’s they’re it’s it ha there’s too many

arms going in different directions you got to focus in on what is the main Crux

and and for these Fighters that are suing right now the main Crux is the UFC

they’re saying that the UFC is the one that is a monopoly has held them back

has paid them less has done all these things has controlled things like their name and voice and likeness and

perpetuity and all these things and that’s what they’re saying they should be paid for okay

right now the courts are agreeing with them and that’s why the case is going on but like you know you and I have talked

about this thing can end at any moment now it can end in a lot of different ways it

could be that the UFC comes to an agreement with the fighters and they have you know

an agreement that is signed and they pay certain amounts and it goes away and

there will be you know a non-disclosure that goes with it no one’s going to be able to say exactly what you know was

agreed upon but it goes away that way it’s a possibility that could happen it could be that the courts actually throw

it out that’s a possibility it could be that it goes to court and the fighters end up winning there’s

there’s there’s a lot of different ways for this thing to play out right now it’s working out well and when you’re

talking about all of these documents that they’re talking about you know Discovery with

you know what I don’t know if everyone understands What discovery is but when you when you’re talking about Discovery

and you’re talking about a large corporation like the UFC with tons of

you know contracts and all these things have happened when you ask for Discovery

and you want this material trust me they’re going to give it to you because they have to but boy they’re going to be giving it to

you in bulk yeah and then you know any and there’s going to be things that they’ll try to kind of you know hide to

the side and and give you stuff but it’s work to go through it and when you

know you’re talking about a ton of time with lawyers and stuff and lawyers make

money at this this is why lawyers want you know they want it to go on because they can make money and the longer it

goes on the more money they make on both sides you know it’s just the way it is but I I look at this and it’s like are

there good managers out there there are are there bad managers out there there are no doubt about it but you can’t you

know it’s you can’t sit there and paint everyone with the same broad stroke

no I agree I agree with you I think um I agree there’s a lot of great managers

out there and um and there are some shady ones or there was some shady ones

also um the fighters just have the fighters have a claim to something I

don’t know what it is you know what I mean like we’re gonna we’re gonna find this all out but there’s so many steps John and

that’s the thing and this is the beginning it has so much further to go

you know and um I don’t know there was some other stuff that he had he had said but I I like

where like here’s the I guess for me where do you expect this thing to go

like I I in this in one of the in the rest of this interview he said something John goes you know to start off Fighters

should have shouldn’t have to have more in the year-long contract look I’m okay with certain stuff but now

you’re changing the sport and the sport is what makes this like the way they handle this stuff right now is what makes it great now I also think if you

become Champion you defend it your one time or you’re two times and then you should be a free agent to go fight

whoever it is that is out there whatever you know but to think that you’re gonna

bring in the all the act and it’s gonna just make everything better that’s a load of [ __ ] you know unboxing is

boxing’s proven that yelly act it keeps boxing from being what boxing should be

you know and doing me wrong maybe the fighters are a little bit better paid maybe but there’s less of them on a card

there’s less of them that people know and um I don’t like the boxing format

and I don’t think a lot of people that go to watch Boxing they only go to watch the main event they don’t go to actually watch the prelims

they don’t they don’t really care about the other Fighters that are below they don’t care they only want to see the top

fighters and those are those Fighters are propped up I guess I’d say are there sometimes their records are a little

padded and the promoters will sell you these promoters can do a damn good job of being promoters they’re telling you

this fighter is the best in the world because he’s undefeated but in reality the guy who’s got two losses over there

we all know he’s probably the best in the world and that’s the most frustrating part so where are we going

with this exactly that’s what I want to know with this class action lawsuit are you just looking to get paid a little bit are you looking to change the rules

to the game if you’re looking to change the rules to the game what is that you know and how much are you looking to

change it are you looking to like he said a year-long contract that’s I mean what promoter is gonna you might as well

turn it into boxing what promoters most look at most Fighters aren’t going to want to win a one year copy no they want

to make money no you know they want there’s a little and they don’t they don’t want the stress of knowing after I

fight this fight I may have one more and then I gotta have another contract either done or are they going to want to

recite there’s comfort in some ways the what I would say is what I would like to see is

I would like to see that if a a promoter gives you will say a four fight contract

then unless you do something that breaks the control that contract with the

promoter they owe you the four fights they can’t get rid of you after the one that’s true right now right now they can

get rid of you at any time they want yes yes you have a four or five contract and until they say when we’re releasing you now you got nothing

so if you sign for four fights I’d like to see them have to give you the four fights no I agree I agree uh you know

that’s kind of what the there’s really no guarantee contracts in in the NFL you know um look and it’s it’s it’s hard

to give guaranteed contracts in Combat Sports and in sports like football because the injuries are there the

injuries are all there um I just don’t I don’t know where it’s gonna head and that scares me a little

bit based on that you have 15 fights on a on a card on a pay-per-view card and

that’s 30 Fighters that are all going home feeding their families they’re all going home and you know taking care of

whatever responsibilities some of these guys don’t have anything else and and that’s fifth that’s 30 fighters on a

card boxing has what four maybe five fights on a car that’s ten like that if

you six to eight yeah and all the money’s going where

randomly you’ll get a good co come on you understand what I’m saying so I like

I look I like that they’re fighting for this I do um but where where do you where do you

cut it off and also too what is the sellout point what is the number that you’re looking

to get at to where you don’t want them to change anything because that’s what the UFC May potentially do come in oh yeah just say

hey we’re not changing [ __ ] what’s your number okay here’s the number now [ __ ] go away okay we’re done with

this that’s my point and that could potentially happen so they’re gonna have to absolutely what’s

in their mind what’s their number and how much money are you given to your lawyers to make up that number so don’t

just think oh I got a big fat number of 300 million okay I got a big fat number of 300

million but 180 of it goes to where or 200 of it goes to your lawyers for all

this time they spent you know and now you’ve got 1200 Fighters I believe is who they’re talking about 12 or 1300

fighters on this roster time span of which they’re talking about so in that you’re gonna pay 12 1300

Fighters you know however much money you know out of the what I don’t know it’s a random

number say 40 million you know I just you gotta you you gotta figure out where

where is this headed how much do you want to actually affect the sport are you really are you really changing

the sport for the good are you just taking away the ability for other people that had the dream of fighting in the

UFC where do you draw the line where is it going anyways look I got a lot of

respect for all the guys that are doing this I think it’s like uh Nate Marquardt

John Fitch John Fitch uh who else I think Kane was part of it I think in the

beginning I’m not sure if he is now anyways I don’t think he’s part of it there was a group there was a group that was like uh it’s like TG dollar show on

Johnson Pierre and a few others like that yeah is there I I think were they part of something else wasn’t that

enough that was different that was the fighters Union yeah yeah yeah

all right what else there’s uh let’s wrap up on a couple things there’s some funny stuff that we’re gonna wrap up on unless you had some other news I had I

had one funny one oh you have one okay let’s sign up to one funny one all right I have a question yeah I saw this online

today and I don’t think it’s true because I tried your birthday and and how old you are and maybe I’m doing it

wrong yeah I saw online today that everybody if you add your year

and how old you are it comes out to 2023 today so

wait what where yeah what I saw this online today are you joking though like

are you big I saw this off of course oh my God and the age that you are you add those

together you get the current year that we’re in she doesn’t foolish

it doesn’t work for me because my month hasn’t happened yet [Laughter]

pull it and this is my this is this is my problem and these are the people that

vote okay well whoever put this on their story oh my God like he was like the crazy station she literally hit her with

the Line This is How age Works typing in all these I was like I typed

in yours and I was like wait why isn’t France working because I haven’t turned 29 yet but once

I do it’ll work I don’t feel good right now I don’t feel good

I think it might be like the worst you know what I really needed that to start my day wow

this is okay hold on and this is why I come up with lines like you’re as sharp as a marble

John now look I’ve never claimed to be good at math

she said that and I was listening to it and I went like you didn’t get it bro and then when

the other girl goes this is how age works I was like yeah no [ __ ] Jesus Christ

I just about fell out of my chair what do you mean if you had

oh man John it was funny I wanted the I wanted to end the show on a funny note

I know we were going to talk about the John Fitch situation the class action lawsuit so I wanted to make sure everyone left here with a smile and like

[ __ ] what a what is going on with Society he was seeing something that was mind-blowing mind-blowing it was so good

and I cannot wish I had gotten Josh because you know Josh’s math is bad oh it was horrible man that’s horrible if I

I can’t I wish Josh hadn’t told us about it and then come on here and be like guys did you know that if you get your year and your age

oh [ __ ] all right hey guys before we uh run along and run off uh Wayne and

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away yeah not around here man it’s still summer it’s 110 today oh John’s fall off

a ladder dude I have dude I didn’t even fall off a ladder you you you fell bastard one time no no no I didn’t fall

that one time at band camp that didn’t fall off a ladder I was taken off alone there’s a difference

that tree whooped your ass oh all right y’all take us away buddy

for everyone out there hope you enjoyed it I hope you can figure out that if you take a year that you were born and at

your age it will come up to 2023 very important point I have a

good one out there we’ll see that’s literally how you do your age

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you doing upgrade it’s Monday morning I’m here to bang Tui and uh you know hey there was a it was some weird fights

over the weekend but it was a fun fight weekend I’d say overall Luke so I’m here to talk about it if you’ll have me yes I

certainly will of course I think the fans will uh demand it and of course the what you had referenced was quite right so we had UFC Singapore which actually

had some pretty big implications if not some gigantic fights and then we had the USIC Dubois fight which had not so much

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saying that for quite some time well look we’ve been saying a lot of things okay let’s day by day but we’re doing fine we’re doing just fine thank you

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and this area being what a van down by the river what area are we speaking we’re very close but yeah yeah yeah

we’re just fine look you know the thing is normally I like to talk in circles and make a lot of really weird jokes but

um I’m you know I’m ready to do this if you are I mean you you unless you want to Regal me with stories about which

liquor uh got you quicker into that hell hole you’re inside your head right now what was it Luke what was your poison

yesterday I just had rum I only had rum that was it I didn’t drink anything else and I didn’t even get drunk can you

believe that and I feel like I would have needed 54 beers or Three Margaritas to get drunk knowing you so that’s it

you know it’s pretty pathetic these days that’s why I don’t drink anymore dude at 44. drinking sucks yeah it’s not fun

anymore dude it’s not fun at all they don’t tell you I’m trying to like not jinx myself I drink out of a double IPA

keg last night which is usually courting disaster and I drank more than I normally do and I’m operating heavy

machinery right now and doing just fine so don’t tell my body Luke I think I pulled the fast one on it yeah yeah all

right I’m glad to see it with that in mind let’s get this party started if we can topic number one you guys know what

we’re gonna head with this one we’re gonna start of course as we customarily do with the Ultimate Fighting Championships there’s probably a partner

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um oh I guess we’re gonna do a quick recap on okay bet picks let’s see if we have a Graphic for that I think I did

poorly I think you did better than me here’s my yes I got the max Holloway win congratulations Aaron blanchfield edged

it out the park report a bit absolutely just moronic yeah that was you putting your hand in a bear trap look what are

you doing I mean that was that was Robert Whittaker Jon Jones level just stupidity uh Smith spin not going the

distance I felt like it should have not gone the distance but it did and the other fight the kazami Armfield fight it

did end uh prematurely or I should say before the Bell uh the final the 15 minutes there was a TKO win I believe or

a KO win so it didn’t become a sub I’m coming here you go three and two I

was on Saturday you were two and three so I gained another game in the standings as you see usick and chicadsi

did their thing I got burned on Tyler Santos although she fought very well especially in round one we’ll get to that about seconds from now and you see

the rest of them right there Luke uh I’m about 3 three I believe correct picks

away right now three some three or two you know what I have very much slept on you as a worthy adversary but I think I

might need to start changing that a little bit yeah also I will say I will say you trying to follow my lead and

game the system by picking the women’s fight to go the distance and then that one not going the distance I have to say

I enjoyed that did you hear that guttural scream from JJ Aldrich when she delivered that stoppage win uh and it

was almost aimed at me Luke I felt it in my in my field it was a little a little

bit awkward to be fair uh all right well with that it might mean the graphic I mean my hand was right here at the edge of the graphic Mikey just you know you

gotta like you put the graphic up one more time I just wanna I just wanna you know be awful by May

he’s like oh there we go here we go [Music] do it BC do the other side of it do the

other side of it oh Mikey’s so bitter at us right now I’m

sorry we had to bro we have oh yeah yeah all right with that in mind now we are ready for topic number one if I may all

right let’s start with the main event from UFC Singapore Max Holloway stops

the Korean zombie in the third round so there’s a lot of different pieces of this conversation we want to get to BC

first let’s actually talk about uh zombie what can we say about his career

now that it has basically come to a close well we can say a lot of great things I think about this ending we can

say this is one of the best I mean for a guy that got absolutely splattered maybe you want a young j-check getting the

same against young Whaley in the rematch is the only rightful comparison here where she walked away on her own terms

right after the fight and even though this fight had more a difference because he kind of announced it ahead of time

there was like some real re like royalty and regal-ness to a man walking in there

in round three with his hands down and and bringing the the ride or die brawl upon himself and even though he got

absolutely splattered and just violent spectacular fashion how good was this exit I mean it’s not quite Robbie Lawler

and Amanda Nunes going out with a win family all around them having their big moments there but live by the sword die

by the sword that’s what tkz has always been about never got over that hill

right a two-time title challenger but never accomplish his true goal but even with a long I believe it was a 3 free or

break in between for military service this guy consistently has just been such a such a crowd pleaser such a a great

I’d say Ambassador for for um Southeast Asian MMA Luke in particular because

I’ve interviewed him a bunch of times and it’s always for a guy that’s Blood and Guts and basically uh you know

almost a villainous movie character it was always about honor to him it was always about giving the fans what he

believes they deserve and expect and it was always about representing his country the Creed the Bushido all of

that and he did that here I mean the zombie entrance with the old cranberry song both before and after was it like

brought a tear to your eye it moved you it was incredible and the crowd in there uh in Singapore completely bought in on

this but Luke it’s it’s maybe really comparable to Joanna in that sense where it’s the worst disastrous ending you

could have yet chefs kiss Perfection because that’s what that dude is was and

will always be all about I think that’s right you know if you

if you wanted to script like a more perfect ending obviously he wouldn’t have been fighting Max Holloway to be

quite honest with you he would have been fighting someone a lot less difficult to compete against although if he still wanted to be in a title conversation

which I thought was kind of strange he was saying he was still pursuing that I mean I get that every or most Fighters still want to be that but I I haven’t

thought he’s been close for a while um I mean especially since he got just wrecked by volkanovsky but okay putting

that aside I mean I think this is what really stands out to me about the Korean zombie very rare athletic courage right

a guy who went out there and fought usually the very toughest of his generation the very best that he could

taking risk in unusual ways which is how he got the nickname but it wasn’t just

from taking risk it wasn’t just from biting down on the mouthpiece lots of guys do that it was also the natural

Flair for the dramatic that he had and his willingness to try crazy things Beyond just being willing to take a shot

I mean the fact that he is for example the first UFC fighter to successfully pull off a twister or in MMA a rare

submission the the the wherewithal that he had to even go for that in the fight

that he had I think was the rematch with Garcia I mean this is the sort of thing that it tells you about right this is a

guy who just had not only a willingness to fight in the most difficult of ways but a certain kind of offensive

creativity and offensive willingness that paired with it that absolutely earned the Adoration and love of fan

bases all over the world and this is to me really part of the interesting story BC they had this fight in Singapore

again if you were a boxer for example and wanted to have kind of a retirement fight maybe he would have fought

Holloway maybe he wouldn’t have you know that’s too hard to say but it probably would have been in South Korea right it’s probably been in Seoul or some

other place where he could have had the vast majority of the hometown adoration but here’s what’s so funny about Korean

zombie even though he was in Singapore which is not like I mean it’s not close but it’s not like on the other side of the world let’s say

the point about Korean zombie is his fans Not only travel but his fans don’t have to travel he has a worldwide in at

least in the MMA space he has a worldwide fan base and dude when they sang zombie as he walked out of the cage

as they replayed the music is the Cranberries music and all the fans in attendance there were singing for him it

sort of tells you what he meant to the fan base it tells you how far his reach had gone and for a guy who you know the

Jose Aldo fight was weird because it was injuries but he was never close in that volkanovsky fight for a guy who never

won a UFC title it 100 maybe not to him but to the fans never mattered it never

mattered what kind of fan you were a fan from North America you know a guy from North America a

woman from Singapore a dude from this part of the world whoever any piece of part of the world the things that he did

right in the cage and the flare for the dramatic that he brought it was a universal language of fight fans and you

saw that on Saturday when he made his last exit from the caves that to me is what stands out to about his career yeah

yeah totally I mean look that’s what fans want the most at the end of the day not just a willingness to take risks and

and walk through punishment which he’s all about but you know start to finish like I mentioned his attitude the way he

represented the sport he just kind of had it all where he did kind of become an Arturo gati of MMA I mean you

remember that stretch right right before his uh his military EX in particular I mean he was becoming a headliner uh and

a guarantee of that yet still walks away from the sport for a long time and actually came back better than ever came

back more calculated more mature and Luke even though the second title shot he had against volkanovsky was largely

ceremonial due to its last minute nature uh if he would have beaten Yaya

Rodriguez in 20 18 and one of the craziest fights ever the final second reverse elbow from from yair on the 25th

anniversary night in Denver he probably would have fought Max next for a title at that point anyway so to to be all of

those things at once to be the crowd favorite to be the mythical figure to be the ambassador of the sport and be

absolutely legit that two separate runs before and after an extremely long break

from this sport he was able to get to the title level it’s pretty damn impressive across the board to carry you

know sort of multiple identities like that and at the same time be this attraction

um I I don’t know how it could have gone better I mean look he he wanted that finish meaning either he was going to

kill Holloway or Holloway was going to get him but he didn’t make it easy for Holloway to Splatter him he did I mean he was

putting the chin out there and he was like let’s bang uh you know I’ll play the role of llamist if you want Holloway let’s do it man that was Reckless and

you kind of knew that moment was coming Luke you could feel it even though even though that’s him dude he got splattered

and that was a little rough to see on the on those so this is something we all talked about uh before the last show

that we did maybe the use of more polls Mikey if you can if you can maybe put up a poll because here’s a question I’m

going to ask BC I wonder what the fans might say BC here’s my question to you and I like to ask the fans the same one

if we get some good results we’ll see what happens but BC does Korean zombie and I’m not talking

about for a individual fight I’m talking about just him does he deserve to be

into the inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame well any question about the UFC Hall of Fame is going to need me to add the

asterisk of Are We comparing to their standards which are very low or if we would be comparing it to more

competitive standards like the pro football or Baseball Hall of Fame um even in both Luke

I I could almost see him being rightfully so as a hall of fameric so never won the title but that level of

being a extreme fan favorite draw like Arturo Gotti was who was also in the

Boxing Hall of Fame in a somewhat disputed manner although he was a former title holder uh in multiple divisions

but he did he did represent an area of the world that you know where UFC has always

wanted expansion and he represented it well and he was a character he was all these things yeah Luke he might be I

mean I do believe there’s a home in hall of fames not just for Champions right like a Dustin poirier’s resume is just

ridiculous even though he’s only been an interim title holder I think cowboy Cerrone would have and should have gotten in under any classification

because he’s one of those rare guys tkz is more like cowboy than than he is uh you know other people in that comparison

so yeah I I think it would be I’d be more than happy with it Luke if that was the way it went down I’ve under any kind

of criteria I have to say his case to me is a little bit more complicated because again you could put him in for one or

two fights that you you know whatever your favorite might be um but like a guy who never won a title

who was this offensively potent like for example hitting the first twister in UFC

history then he followed that up with the seven second which at the time was the fastest KO if not in MMA history

certainly UFC history I think that has either been tied or amended or whatever but at that time a record-breaking

performance in back to back fights and then the fight after that was actually in Fairfax Virginia against Dustin

Poirier where it was a fight of the Year Contender and he finished him off as well you know you don’t get guys who are

that good who can do those kinds of like break the barriers of what is possible

essentially or what we think is possible anyway in MMA to do it consistently and

then never reach that title but we should also sort of add another component here he had sever several years of his prime taken from him due to

mandatory Korean military service um you know he was that he was able to come back and do really well is a

testament to how good he was but that problem to punch it’s three and a half years three and a half years he took off

I mean and then right smack in the middle of what would have been his Prime in all likelihood so not only did he

never get to be as good as he could have been everything got delayed and pushed back and dude we know this dude three

and a half years at MMA is an eternity I mean the World Turns so fast in just a

year forget three and a half times that amount so he really had some of that taken from him now we have a poll and

Mikey says that the fans have voted I’m sure this might change a little bit over time but right now 68 68 say he should

go in I do think his case is a bit of a bubble case because he didn’t have a belt but of all the guys who didn’t get

a belt Korean zombie is either going to be at or top of the list us when you say who didn’t get a belt but maybe still

deserves a place by themselves inside the UFC Hall of Fame it’s got to be him yeah I mean his case is unique you

wouldn’t be out of bounds if you argued against it but he does have a few wins we need to remember and circle on him

most of his big wins were by stoppage his last one of course was the decision win over Dan ige in 2021 but here’s who

he’s finished in his MMA career Frankie Edgar hinato moycano Dennis Bermudez

Dustin Poirier Mark hominick and also subbed Leonard Garcia after losing their

first fight in the wec by split decision so it’s not a typical lot of the amount

of wins that that would make somebody a slam dunk but when you have finished any version of Frankie Edgar Dustin pory I

mean this is you know this pretty damn good look pretty damn good along with being you know such a such a prominent

figure and character in a lot of ways uh you know positive character in this sport I I never would have expected that

exit to feel that good look I mean it took the zombie song it took the crowd buying in on that level but like that

that moment they put him over as like a a hero I mean it was it was pretty impressive to see that moment on

Saturday well I I’m glad you brought that up because we should talk about how the UFC handled his retirement I gotta say dude I thought they handled it well

I really did now in the case of Robbie Lawler and in this particular case of Chan song Jung they had some indication

that it could be coming Robbie Lawler had basically declared it was going to be his last one and Chan song Jung had

kind of hinged it on the result so he didn’t necessarily say it was going to be a guarantee but uh in the end it it

ended up happening that way so you know the UFC had a bit of a heads up that this could be coming but nevertheless

nevertheless they did it right Robbie Lawler was a weight class Champion one of the most special Fighters at MMA in

UFC history so they had a big presentation ready for him but I thought the way they handled this one BC was

great for two reasons one I thought playing his music again because his walkouts are so tied to one particular

song around this zombie identity it’s a really special Union that he has but more to that point the broadcast didn’t

say a word they just let it all play out they let the fans do the carrying of him

so to speak and for my money I thought it was a home run the UFC has gotten

much better about this I think you would agree yes oh 100 this has been one of

the brighter spots of this calendar year for the UFC they’re handling of exits uh including uh Amanda and the family just

throwing down cold ones Luke in the middle of that cage having a dance party that like you that doesn’t normally happen in the past in the UFC to sort of

see them Embrace that human side which I think a lot of times we ask more of them that they don’t do you know tell the

stories better like present that they they presented The Human Side in all of these three uh recent retirements in a

very nice way all right now with that in mind BC let’s talk a little bit about Max Holloway before I ask what’s next

because that’s obviously going to be a part of the conversation let’s just take a step back here and ask first how did

he look to you not as good as the Arnold Allen fight but still very good the key question and

you and I sort of teased it ahead of time of will Korean zombie have a moment will he be able to land single huge

strikes that can shake Max a little bit we ended up seeing that and Luke I think it comes down to this Max is still great

I mean you know you take out the third volkanovsky fight which really showcased

how really how how much better volkanovsky is than pretty much everybody in the world not named majev

but then you look at the fights around that Decatur fight the Arnold Allen performance it’s still there for Max when he needs it my fear though Luke is

is the overall resistance we can talk we talk Ad nauseam about the wars he’s been in yet he’s still able to kind of

reinvent himself constantly and that’s what great Fighters do but the time is ticking on the amount of clean shots you

can take and a couple that he took here granted against a a big puncher which is

you know tkz’s calling card um I I get a little nervous I’m getting a little nervous that that the

expiration on the chin will happen sooner for Max than his actual

degrading of his ability his ability to me especially offensively especially the way he gained plans and adjust is still

super Elite Luke but sometimes the chin betrays you before the skills do and we’re not there

yet I’m a little nervous look a little nervous about it a little nervous about moving forward I didn’t have any of these reservations

I’m a little surprised here I mean it’s not that I think it’s crazy or anything like that but I mean he’s 31 years of

age which is not the fair indication of how many miles that he has uh in his career

but he’s never been dropped he got hit with some hard shots and they didn’t even slow him down I mean we’re talking

about one of the all-time greats in a couple of different ways in this particular context in terms of

durability the durability of Max is is legendary dude he has over 3 000 I think

minutes no sorry 3 000 significant strikes that he’s landed more than that in his career like number two is short

by like 1500 right I mean they’re not even close to this guy in terms of the amount of times he’s just been trading

with guys and obviously doing much more dealing than taking but nevertheless he’s been in some knock-down drag outs

never been dropped he got hit with a Korean zombie yes did he look better in the Arnold Allen fight okay I agree with

that but I also think that’s partly due to the matchup because that was Arnold is much more careful much more cerebral

Korean zombie was literally just walking in trying to get a dog fight going and so he is going to land some big punches

that way a but I didn’t think he looked worse meaningfully I mean again no I I

agree that the Arnold performance was better but only because of the way in which the two guys fought him

differently you know part of part of my take is rooted in the respect and love I have for Max in that you know he is

still so young despite the odometer being so high and I still think he’s you know title ready right now you know it’s

going to be tough moving forward again with the whole volcanovsky situation but he didn’t dissuade me in that regard I’m

just saying Luke when it goes It’s Gonna probably go in a spectacular way and although that’s this guy’s calling card

and although tkz was never able to really capitalize on Landing one big shot here

or there it didn’t move Max couple times did Rock him in fact even what made maybe the The Knockout so clean is

before that he kind of got whacked a little bit but Max hung in there fig you know stepped in and delivered the big

blow um but I think there is something to that even if I’m ahead of it even if I’m a

little more nervous than I should be I think he’s one of those guys Luke where the Chin’s gonna go before the the elite

ability does I just don’t want to see that happen is really what I’m trying to say here okay but could you know should he be in a big fight next is he still a

legit title Contender for this division absolutely and he didn’t do anything to sway that but uh you only get so many

though Luke you only get so much you’ll get so many but still I would put him on par I mean I don’t know what the right boxing comparison is and I don’t know if

our audience will understand but it feels a little this is not quite right

what’s the closest comparison Triple G in what sense

to be to have faced so Triple G I think is even sturdier but I get although he

got banged up in a couple of those fights I guess the point I want to make is oh in terms of his chance that many Dynamic punchers and never go down

absolutely Triple G never down as a pro never down in 350 amateur fights either

and has gotten I mean they’ve slow-mo’d some of the shots in triple G’s biggest fights whether it be against Canelo or

Danny Jacobs you know the the combinations or the Clean Home Run left hooks that he’s taken and his chin an

entire you know it went that way and he just turned back and shook it off yeah Max has a legendary chin on a Triple G

level there’s no question but Max does show a little bit more vulnerability in terms of wearing some of that damage

than Triple G does different sport different circumstances that it has led me to that bit of worry but Luke offensively carrying it out he did what

he had to do in this fight he did it efficiently for the most part it was just when he got rocked a couple times I was I was uh I was hoping we’re all good

here any when we were in the end yeah in the end we were okay so it leads to the question of and by the way here’s the

problem like before I even answer the question it doesn’t really matter who he fights next whether it’s whether it’s

volcanovsky a fourth time whether it’s duporia which I’m going to ask about a second it’s not like this fight told you

how either of those are gonna go because neither of those guys are going to fight Max very much the way in which Korean

zombie did but let me ask the question just the same to you BC what the hell does the UFC do with this guy Max

Holloway was at the post five press conference saying I’m gonna stay here and keep digging until I get a title

fight I want to have a title I want to defend a few more times what the hell do they do I think he may have to do what

he did right here again stay busy and a fight against the name now this one had special circumstances because of the

Romanticism of these two legends having never fought each other and we’re doing it in Singapore and it turned out to be zombies last fight and he announced that

ahead of time so it’s sort of like this Mulligan stay busy show us something get it done move forward the thing is he may

need to do that again Luke and it is dependent obviously upon volkanovsky and whether we are going in the direction of

a an eventual move up to 155 or if he’s going to stay the course which it sounds

the more I listen to volkanovsky like he’s not against that and pick apart oporia Pick A Part who’s necked and

climbing if we are in a season of of uncertainty that is not leading directly

to volkanovsky uh giving up the title then Luke it may have to be another big name rematch and I’m talking about Brian

Ortega and yair Rodriguez who are ranked two and three at the moment um it it was there’s not a lot for Max

to gain unless he just wants to stay busy put on another big performance remind everybody why he he inevitably

deserves another you know a fourth shot at voknowski if that’s the case uh those would be big fights you could feature

them prominently Luke would you advise him to tell me to shut the hell up and sit there until the title is available I

mean what do you do you may have to get creative and look into another division or go BMF but it seems like Max’s

biggest goal and the reason why he’s he wants to keep going is not for them the money or any of that Luke it is to win

back this title he’s the ultimate competitor it’s ultimately at the end of the day fueling his backbone fueling his ability

to walk through anything is this guy’s never going to stop believing himself never going to stop you know Reinventing

himself and making a run at being the best he can be he’s still really damn good I mean look is what if I told you

without knowing that Max is still the second best for other weight in the world so he knows if volkanovsky decides

to get off the pot the max can put the [ __ ] crown back on and be the king Again Luke okay he knows that and I don’t

think he’s done anything in the Allen arcader fights to dissuade that from being true if

if Volk had beaten makachev would we be having this conversation

no because I think he’d be full-time at 55 if he did yeah I agree with that I think if he don’t think he should look

what is Walt gonna gain from toporia I don’t understand this like I’m if I’m vulk I’m looking at my age I’m looking

at the situation I know there’s big money against Macha or some level of big money you know in a big opportunity for

sure to to redeem himself and announce himself in a new weight class again but

this is part of me the max fan in me saying like Volk go so we can make new matchups and we can see if Max can

against this new general I mean Max against stuporia for the belt Luke you’d be fired up for that wouldn’t you you’d love that super Fired Up Wait Wait Max

at 155. no Max uh we have 45 against deporia oh against Emporia sorry I

missed I misheard you uh yes that dude that would be great dude Max versus Ilia taporia is one of the best fights you

could make at featherweight I’m not saying it’s so are you ready as a as a city kickboxing Super Fan are you ready

to join me in the chorus of saying Volk we love you so much man but your the

rest of your history the history that you’re making for your legacy is that 55 and you know this man so why don’t you

move now so we can do Max versus suporia and we got a whole new set of fresh matchups or big money rematches after

that imagine if Max wins back the belt then suddenly yair and Ortega are huge rematches again so I’m saying there’s

business to be Arnold Dallin would be another huge rematch there’s business to be done are you willing to sit in front

of this mic and tell Volk it’s time to go to 55. stop dancing it’s time I will in just one second so I’ll say this

we’ve got 294 UFC 294 which will be makachev Oliveira 2. I think that I mean

it basically doesn’t matter either way but I’ll say this definitely if makachev wins so he’s got you know basically not

quite back to back but two quick wins so to speak over Oliveira then I think you

just have to do the rematch with Volk after that and just move him on up because to your point if like Max we’ve

seen him at 155 I just don’t think he he can win fights there but I don’t think he’s best suited there whereas I think

volcanovsky with the time that he has remaining in his career could be well suited to go to 155 and

get some wins and we’re supposed to be a star look for whatever level of stardom that voknowski has not hit in my opinion

moving up to lightweight and facing what’s left of established names like poorie gechi along with chasing the

crown would get him everything he needs or would want huge money of chance at a

second title and really big names that you haven’t fought yet to completely solidify your

Journey which is making a run at the upper room right now volkanovsky’s making a run at trying to become one of

the top five fighters of all time Luke I thought and he’s he’s got a chance here so I need you to join me collectively in

saying Alexander the Great greatness is at 55 go there please it’s interesting

the way you put it because it’s almost like Max is forcing him to go to 155 but

not in the usual way where it’s like oh well here’s another young tough up-and-comer It’s not really worth it to

him just go on up in this particular case it’s a guy who there there’s really no public appetite for a fourth fight

there’s like public appetite to see Max I think get his potential fully realized if such a thing can happen again but

what really is sort of motivating this is like they’re at 145 yes volkanovsky

can say that I think is really your point but all of the interesting fights that could be remaining plus what he

wants to do in terms of his goals if I understand you correctly that’s all at 155 Max can’t really go to 155 so you

could get a you could get a neat split in that way where the guy you’re just too you’re it’s just he’s too good for

featherweight Max is very good at featherweight but maybe not quite in that same Dimension go to 155 and to

your point get the big names there to only add to your big name I think it’s I think you’re right BC I think you’re right well I just I gotta ask like what

does he gain by going and beating topori I don’t think he gains anything it only you know what I mean like so Chase Chase

where you can double down on your legacy and and that would open up a chance not to open the door for Max but to open the

door for two guys that are deserving right now Max Holloway and Ilya duporia for the title so put them against each other for the vacant crown and let’s

find out who’s next after that yeah I’d love it but that’s the answer to the question from you of what what does the

UFC do with Max because if Volk is going to stay on the crown which by the way is his right then unless you do unless you

don’t like my ideas of rematching those two big names that are ranked at two and three where what else you gonna do Luke

what is it gonna be so Mikey’s asking an interesting question which is what about doing with

Volk what they did with Anderson Silva so folks know who may not understand this when Anderson Silva fought Forrest

Griffin uh part of that was image Rehabilitation like everyone knew he was

really good everyone knew he was special but you know coming off of I forget the

exact timing of it but after the Demi and Maya fight his brand took a huge hit a monster hit and they thought what what

are some interesting ways in which to rehabilitate this given there really there weren’t other interesting 185 contenders at the time so they said [ __ ]

it let’s just have him fight Forest Griffin Force Griffin’s a was a big 205er the whole nine yards and you guys

all saw what happened what about that PC where oh forget the makacha fight forget the Olivera fight just have okanovsky

fight more like a to your point and you you didn’t exclude these names but like going right after the poirier’s right

after the gates he’s not worrying about the title just big name action fights where he can shine essentially no for

volkanovski no that’s a horror blood I think Mikey was presenting to you that they would do that with Max by the way if you did with vulcanovski all you’re

doing is keeping the belt hijacked at 45 if you’re going to bring them up for one-offs he doesn’t need image Rehabilitation Max could do big One Max

could go the BMF route if if volk’s going to stay put that’s probably the best chance to do big fights but you got

to probably do it against light weights that can still crack and be in fun dangerous fights but there is something

there the whole point is we all believe that you know Max is good enough to be Champion here so let’s figure out Volk

what you’re doing um I don’t know Luke I I also I’m going to argue this I think that toporia versus

Holloway is uh a better fight in the sense that it’s more competitive I think

volkanovsky’s a little bit too far ahead of toporia right now um you know obviously tuporia is

dangerous and rapidly improving and he’s a threat to anybody but I think Max is

going to be a little bit more willing to oblige him in dueling whereas a guy like

volcanovsky is not and that would change the complexion of the bout so you actually get I think a little bit more

of a Blood and Guts ish affair with the taporia Holloway contest which for a

title that ends up being what it is BC kind of a nice way to do it plus new school old school that whole bit sure

sure my question on the or my reaction to the Anderson Silva thing is um you know I don’t think those the division

you know he was operating in a division that that they needed him to do stuff like this there wasn’t a bunch of killers coming

you know up in line until the Weidman rockhold level group uh arrived and really established himself so it was

more attraction building in that regard I don’t think Volk will gain anything in there I mean it’s time it’s time for a

run at 55 but it’s time for me to stop talking about this what else yeah by the way the uh I got some of the I got some

of the um the pr wrong here I did wrong myself in real time so the Patrick Cote

fight happened which his knee blew out and it was weird and then the talus lytese fight happened which was not a

disaster but it was boring it was not considered good it was considered to be just whatever and not fun and he was

overmatched so then they gave him the force Griffin fight after that is actually the Demi and Maya fight happened after

um the Griffin fight and then you might be asking what happened after Damian Maya that’s when Chael Sonnen swooped in and used all of the bad PR that was

happening around him which started by the way around the lytese fight uh that whole time it was obviously a reprieve

for Force Griffin so it was not the Maya he was trying to fight off in terms of bad PR it was the lytese fight well the

only reason I don’t like Mikey’s idea of showcasing Vulcan that same way is if he’s going to stay Champion Max tells

nowhere to go thank you yes I mean that’s sort of the idea right because he he didn’t give up

his middleweight strap to do that that would be the point yeah yeah that would be Max’s fault if he can’t be Vulcan is

what it is you’re right but uh I would like some some closure on this thank you

Mikey’s right in the sense that if Max can’t beat him yeah whose fault is it it’s it’s his own and I I fully

understand that but on some level it’s like how do you manage a guy’s career in the case of volkanovsky who is trying to

pursue like the highest level of Excellence by keeping him in a division that he’s already kind of conquered a

few times over and beaten the very best guy in that division three times you

just kind of can’t get there plus featherweight I think would not bloom but featherweight might have a little

bit more to offer in terms of um give and take if he does do he’s such a powerful force that like if he leaves

the division it opens up the parody uh or I said yeah it opens up the parody a little bit so anyway an interesting set

of circumstances to be clear all right let’s go to point number two topic two so how about this one BC this was close

this was real real close and I think it really comes down to a second round

error but Aaron blanchfield edges and I do mean edges Tyler Santos in a tough decision

contest now BC what did the fight prove did it prove that blanchfield was able

to rise to the occasion with high pressure or that Santos was vastly

underrated by a lot of folks including yours truly yeah but I think it proved both at the same time I think I got out

of this everything I wanted in terms of the questions I asked uh did I think that Tyler was going to be a very tough

striking out for for blanchfield if she can stuff the takedowns well that’s what happened in round one in Tyler Santos

off of her own long layoff coming off of the title lost to Valentina looked like a million bucks here’s what I

underestimated though about Aaron blanchfield and I’m very happy to find this out not just the continued

evolution of her cold-blooded toughness because she took big shots big counter shots from Tyler Santos that blood eater

nose in round one and you know we had legit questions at the end of round one but I underestimated blanchfield’s gas

tank Luke she is in she she’s a force so some of those breakthrough dominant wins

the Molly McCann fight the Jessica and drudge fight which I threw out there hey there’s still possibility this is fool’s

gold these are one-sided performances although she get tagged a bit against andrage uh where she you know is is in

first gear and what happens if it doesn’t go our way round one did not go away in a big way against Tyler Santos

and the way the Moxie that blanchfield showed to make adjustments and then gasp

Santos out we kind of you know we got answers to all our questions Tyler Santos is better than than people give

her credit for but she did Valencia did find her weakness in using round two to be just a scramble Fest and constantly

try to get her down and doing that she succeeded in weaponizing her cardio and I wasn’t sure blanchfield had that in

her Luke blenfield’s in absolute force and I did see a little bit of a mix of

people’s responses in terms of if she is did she prove to be against Santos as

good as you thought she was coming in and some people were disappointed because maybe they expected another piece of one-way traffic I come out more

on the blanchfield train now after finally getting to see this level of high resistance and seeing the

adjustments she made her striking’s not perfect but she made really smart adjustments in the second and third

round in order to you know stop the the trend that was happening around one which was her getting pieced up with

hard shots the mixture the threat of the wrestling there was a lot to really like about blanchfield and I think she’s only

going to keep getting better at 24. this is a big win in my eyes for her Luke and I think she’s you know I think she’s

ready I think she’s ready now I mean she’s going to keep getting better if she doesn’t get the title shot next there’s still room to grow but this is

what I wanted to see I wanted to see her get dirty and get in there and look at how she passed that test yeah it was a

close fight yeah you can make a case for Santos but because blanchfield was even though we’re not scoring this from Pride

rules because she had figured Santos out made the adjustments and then was

outlasting her now working her in the third round I don’t have to bring up that it was a closed fight and he could have scored it

the other way I was fine with two to one blanchfield she completely turned the tables on Santos made that fight her own

and had to go through some legit adversity to do so let me ask you a question then because I

have a slightly different view I mean I think I generally agree with the broad strokes but not totally can you say broad Strokes because they’re women look

because certainly not okay the question is this for you what would

you consider to be a fair criticism of Aaron blanchfield’s performance on

Saturday um her I believe her striking in general from head movement defense to getting

off her strikes is still a big work in progress I think she’s finding out how to supplement it to be a threat and she

she you know she gave Tylers not those couple couple uh things to think about with some overhand rights but it’s not

perfect I do believe it’s going to get better she’s only 24 and she continues to climb the ladder at a high pace so

Luke that biggest weakness I’m talking about actually she used it as a strength even though it’s it’s a little bit raw

and limited and with and so I don’t I don’t know right now what the big weakness is I’d like to see more head

movement and defense but she seems to have a huge chin on her she definitely has the eye of the tiger I mean she is

coming on to take over take over the world I mean it’s it’s a you know we we questioned after interviewing her

because she was almost like nonchalant almost naive about talking about yeah I’ll go up there fight Valentina and now

obviously Grasso’s a champion and we’re like man maybe she doesn’t realize it shouldn’t be this easy no Luke I was

wrong she is she’s wired To Be A Champion so the only thing I could say

is her striking if you if you show me a picture of this fight and five fights for now it’s gonna look completely

different she’s gonna get better very quick in that category but um I I don’t see many other glaring things jumping

out what about you yeah I mean I think again so let’s don’t I’ll ask the myself the same question I asked you which was

what is a fair a fair criticism of Aaron blanchfield’s performance I think one it

showed that yes she went up against an opponent who was very tough it’s not easy to take Tyler Santos down but I did

think she was going to have more success than she did and there was a couple I mean she got close several times so I

guess what I would say is understandable that taking down Santos was tough but it also kind of shows there’s a level of

finishing refinement on some of these takedowns that can be achieved that needs to be I think that’s fair to say

that’s the first one the one that was a little bit more concerning to me and when I re-watched the fight I didn’t see

it quite as badly the second time but still enough that I think it deserves mention you see this a lot in MMA and it

drives me kind of nuts especially because in MMA as opposed to boxing they stand a little bit further apart and so

you can do this a little bit more easily again relatively speaking this is a high level MMA contest but faking and

fainting before striking she did a little bit of that where like she would kind of fake low and then come over the

top and some of that would land but then you had Santos counter-striking the whole time and not just counter-striking

did you notice she was always finishing last and usually with a kick so she was always finishing last all was going last

all was going last and all of it landed all the time but the point I wanted to make was she was doing what I like to call jousting some sometimes not every

time but she was doing it where you know you just kind of just go when the person moves into position or go when you feel

the moment is Right rather than getting them to more calculatedly transfer defense or bite on a particular look

like for example like you think of the better Strikers some of them do a little bit of jousting but in general not volcanovski does not do that is he

doesn’t not do that right these are guys that make you set up in a certain way and walk you into things when they can

or they just completely trick you the whole way this was to me she’s 24 and it’s understandable that she fights this

way but to me the criticism would be she’s so full of Not Just Energy she had

great cardio by the way we should note that like that was on point but she’s got a real pressure heavy style not a

thing wrong with it but to beat the Elite guys you can see a pressure heavy style without the requisite pre-strike

or pre-engagement calculation it only gets you so far and this one to me came

down to that second round when Santos went for that like lateral drop and then basically just pulled blanchfield on top

of her we should be honest BC if she doesn’t do that yes I think if it had been a five round fight Blanchard would

have worn her down that that to me I don’t think is in dispute but it wasn’t it was a three round contest and who’s

to say how the rest of the fight would have gone but I mean to be that razor thin between Victory and and defeat by

the error of an opponent that you didn’t force them to make they made on their own you know some rethinking I I do believe

needs to happen if you’re in her Corner in her Camp about getting some of that refinement over the hump no doubt no

doubt she’s able and and this is exactly what she did in rounds two and three she’s able to lean on these what are

seemingly large and tangibles the weaponization of her cardio which I did not know she had I mean it absolutely

absolutely wore down somebody who could have been the champion right look like over five rounds she had done enough

against Valentina and after doing that after getting pieced up so badly in round one yet keeping the composure she

leaned on her composure her toughness her gas tank all of that and it kind of in the end made up for some of the

mistakes I agree you’re right which is which is here’s what’s interesting I think it’s this fight which blancheville

won and the Rose versus manolfaro fight which is going to be this coming Saturday as sort of a final four like

who’s coming out who’s gonna look the best to get that next title shot um

I almost don’t want her to get it yeah if she gets to the title level let’s say

Grasso defends it and beats Valentina in the rematch which is the week after in September um could she win before her game fully

gets refined and rounded out could she become Champion it’s possible she has the Moxie like I said she have all the other things there but I I’d almost like

to see her have to get one more because you know I did have questions Luke based on the resume what were the fights that

she dominated more about the opponent and more about you know her no she

showed against she showed me against Tyler Santos that that she’s got what she needs it’s just not perfected yet so

I I’d almost like you know uh her to take one more short of that but um what can you say negative about some

of those you know foundational elements to her Luke she should not she should not have what car she should not have

weaponized cardio on that level but it might be enough to to win a championship with that like it’s that good

comparatively in a great division by the way which is wild so I got a nice party

was great dude like listen Kane Velasquez had great wrestling Kane Velasquez actually had pretty decent

striking and Cain Velasquez is obviously a terrifying grounded pound but the thing that brought it all to life was

the dude was a heavyweight who couldn’t you know have cardio like a flyweight I mean you just did never seen anything

like that we’re not we’re not saying blanchfield is is on that level but the point I I agree with you like that that

cardio that she has dude that’s gonna be a force for any single person she goes up against especially when she gets to

Main Events especially when these main events are obviously going to be title fights like it’s just gonna be a serious

problem for everybody else and I also want to say something too you may have noticed this the commentary team didn’t

pick up one at least not in real time I don’t know if they what angle they were looking at do you remember the pass that she got I think in the second round that

she got it she got it was actually off of that maybe it was off the field take there but whatever it was and she moved

all the way out and Michael BisMan was like oh she’s looking for an arm bar it kind of looked that way it wasn’t it’s actually called a Sao Paulo pass or a

tozy pass it’s the same one that Rick has hit on Robert Whitaker you know that’s a very hard pass to get and not

just that it’s the kind it’s a smash pass right so it’s the kind of pass that you get from literally forcing your

opponent into such a contortion that they have to open their guard and let you pass in order to relieve the

pressure that’s actually how it works dude like she’s out there roughhousing these people you know so this is what I

mean a little bit more refinement in some of the finishing details she’s already got the physical presence she’s

already got the cardio she’s already got a lot of other things killer but I agree with you I don’t want a title fight to

be next because the the foundation the cement on the foundation hasn’t quite dried yet it’s almost there but not

enough for me to be like confidently saying oh she can beat anyone in this division on any night I’m not so sure

that’s true right at this second that was interesting that you use the term smash pass not only have I never heard

that before but I thought it was some type of skit and bit leading to talk about O’Malley’s marriage but that was well done by You Luke

let me just tell you man let me just tell you I mean you know no one no one cares what the [ __ ] I think but open

relationships open relationships dude I mean unless you’re unless you’re in a cult or

you’re like you know I don’t know who makes polygamy a big a

big deal these days but in general uh it won’t it won’t work out well for you especially with the divorce lawyers okay

um anything we want to say about Tyler Santos and where she goes from here still a viable candidate by the way yeah

her stock air stock kind of went up a little bit right I agree even though she

lost the fight and would only have herself to blame for faltering and as you said potentially that mistake on the

ground but look would you agree with me that after round one it looked like she might be the next Champion like she was big counter punching stiff shots wrong

too strong control distance very well did we did we find out though in this fight that that that she’s still got

some deficiencies yeah Luke she gassed out that’s why she lost the fight we could say it’s close but she lost this

fight because she gassed out on the ground that’s a true fact Luke and that’s tough to swallow but I think it can be you can I think you can fix that

I think you can still fix it at this point yes I do believe that as well so she she definitely outperformed what I

thought was possible and uh but that second round lateral drop where you just throw someone on top of you that was

costly to put it mild okay BC with that in mind let’s talk about another fight on this two more fights on this car and

I really want to get to one how about this one topic number three Anthony Smith he did get it done against Ryan

Spann but barely so it leads me to a point here where like I thought what was

interesting for Anthony Smith was he got hit with that left hand that that really blew up his left eye and I thought the

fight might have been over there but he hung on and he got it done so showed incredible toughness then he was

interviewed by his uh podcast co-host Michael Bisping and he was like you know for 35 this is pretty good which I agree

with however at 35 it’s not really clear exactly what the next step would be and

frankly for Ryan span I guess you know continuing to hang around and take more interesting fights is a thing but I

don’t know like all these 205 205 fights happen and I never feel like it gives us a lot of clarity about 205 what did you

learn from this country the player is a great way to say it I learned a lot because a lot ultimately went down in

this weird rematch of a fight so let’s be honest about what the design was to see if Anthony Smith at his age can

still be a you know either a super Elite gatekeeper or has one more run at the bell in him which I’m sure is a big part

of the motivation to get him back after big defeats like this and in that regard they gave him a guy he had already

finished but a guy who if Smith wasn’t still that guy could have issues against

overall Smith showed me he still got it Luke there was a Rejuvenation especially early in this fight with the Striking

and the setups and the like you can see that he’s not willing to go away quietly

and and I think was able to resuscitate his name and hold serve which again was the the point of this the only issue I

had Luke is I don’t think he won the fight I thought span won that two to one and I don’t I don’t think I I thought it

was fairly clear by my eyes that span won it two to one and I was surprised to see that result at the end

but it’s one of those fights that whether he did win it or lose it I think he won the The Narrative of what what we

were trying to find out at his age he did not bad for his age absolutely not bad because it’s showing you Luke that

he’s still working at it that he’s still trying to find new ways to be better and I think it would have been different if

he went out there and only took a ton of punishment it’s not like he didn’t take punishment I mean his his eye was was gnarly and I and I was worried it would

uh ultimately cost him the fight in a stoppage loss short of that did he take big shots yeah well Anthony Smith does

he he he gets in there and fights but for what he’s trying to prove and show I

think he proved it Luke I think he did I’m okay I’m okay with him moving forward I thought this was a nice nice

little comeback uh but I know I’m giving mixed messages and telling you I didn’t think he won I didn’t think he won Luke but I like the performance Okay so

all right so we agree Smith won the first round and we definitely agree span won the second very easy call so really

just comes down to the third round in real time I will tell you how I felt about it I watched and I go okay

definitely could go either way you know you just know like that’s just what it could be but I

thought that Smith had edged it for sure personally now that was personally speaking let me give you the fight

metric odds here if I may because I didn’t know this until just now I was like what’s the odd what did the number say

dude the biggest striking differential and again these are quantitative totals how how much they differ qualitatively

is a different consideration but quantitatively the biggest difference in

numerically in terms of what Smith landed over span happened in round three rounds one Smith to span 24 to 10. that

makes sense round two we were both 22 but again the qualitative difference there would clearly go in favor of Ryan

Span in round three Smith 45 span 27. I

mean that’s you know I I kind of felt like he did he was a little bit busier and he landed a little bit better but

you know you never know what the judge is it could go either way in that sense I’m surprised you thought it was a clean round or clean-ish round for span why

was it a finish round yeah I’d have to re-watch now look here you’re forcing me to reawaken to that in the moment I I

felt like it was two to one Smith or span but I but I get what you’re saying on that and I actually like to re-watch

that today Luke to figure that out then if we cancel that side of it and my concerns there do you Echo what I’m

saying that what Anthony Smith was trying to accomplish of this fight did he expect to get his eye mangled in a

near you know serious way no but good Lord the Moxie the toughness the the rebound ability that he showed and the

evolution of his game altogether would you Echo what I’m saying like Anthony Smith showed us he’s still there he’s

still here man I think he I I I you know I have great respect for Anthony as a talent and as a tough guy he has you

know more than earned my respect on both of those accounts and I do agree I do agree you get a hard-earned win like

this one especially after getting your whole eye just mangled in the second then coming out in the third even though

even if you thought span win just to force for Smith to kind of

collect himself and go back out there and fight I thought was very very impressive the only thing that I would

say is and I say this out of someone with great admiration form at 35 dude he’s getting hurt every time he’s going

in there win or lose that’s the part to me that’s a bit of a problem and some of these win you know

the the injuries are you know are happening related to the fight event and some are just you know a combination of

age or the wrong step or whatever but I don’t know man like at 35 he’s getting he’s just taking a lot more damage than

I if I’m being honest more damage than I am comfortable watching most of the time

um so I would say that you’re right he does you get a win like this you keep it

moving let’s see what’s next it’s an interesting conversation about Ryan span because dude this was

dude this was his shot this was a great opportunity to beat a guy with a name

who the UFC has kind of positioned as a broadcaster at time certainly an on-screen analyst who does analysis work

and how of course he does a podcast with Michael Bisping and everything else in between and he had this guy really

really really hurt in the second if you’re Ryan span there are some questions to be asked about how did you

let this guy off the [ __ ] hook what would you say yeah I’m with you on that I mean did you

think that fight was gonna get stopped in round two I thought it was I did I did I thought I thought uh oh that looks

real bad look he hit him with a flying knee right or knocked him down with one I forget the exact seat he did get him

with a flying knee but it was the punch that just blew up the eye because of the the ain’t the sharp angle yes but I’m saying what knocked him off his feet

whatever that was when he fell off of his feet I was like oh because Ryan span’s gonna just unload here and that’s

gonna be that and then it just didn’t and I was like dude this this was his

chance to turn the corner from being kind of like a guy who fights some of the more profiled names in the division

to just kind of staying where he is which is not the end of the world but not it’s not an elevation it’s not an

escalation this was a great chance for him it just it just didn’t work I agree I agree all right with that in mind

let’s go to the last fight of note from this card which of course was the uh return of Giga chikaze he gets a

decision uh winning his return it was a weird fight over over Alex castleis but BC question to you is as follows he got

the win he looked I thought for the most part fine right had I had a really

gung-ho post-fight speech did he look to you like a real title threatening

Contender at 1 45. for a lot of this fight yes it would have been great

catapulted in it with the exclamation point of a finish without question but we did have to put more respect on Bruce

Lee where his name would come in with seven wins and eight fights and you know he was able to to wield some of that heavy power from Giga and then find

moments of countering too but yeah Luke this was a reinvention there was a lot of time off and you have to believe the

one-sided nature of that humbling Fiverr on loss uh to cater really caused really forced Giga to go back to the drawing

board and kind of figure things out what’s missing what am I doing wrong in that regard with the time off and in a

tough fight here over 15 minutes um I’m happy I’m happy moving forward here Luke he’s back he’s back in a big

way the post-fight speech which we’ll see and have you seen this [ __ ] was kind of quirky but also kind of like his way

of showing us that that he’s still a force I don’t leave this fight questioning that Luke uh I do have

questions with the performance against cater this was the right rebound at the right time I felt okay what uh what

about it with this particular performance what would you say was the best thing that Giga chikaze showed you the land clean strikes like clean hard

heavy strikes put be an Intimidator I mean like there were moments I thought he had hurt because Sarah’s hurt where

he could would have where he was closer to it to a stoppage than ultimately happened but um you sound like you’ve got you’ve got

some ill repair you want to share here not exactly not exactly I think when you’re off this long and the premium is

going to be just get the W you know just get the w I think it’s just unfair for a guy to be

expected to go out there and just Razzle Dazzle you you know so I don’t want to be clear that’s not what I’m doing here at all I thought he got a hard-earned

win no doubt about it but the disparity and Strikes between them now Chicago had

the superior number in round one and round three but not in round two but listen to the disparity in total strikes

landed 17 to 15 in favor of Giga 23 to 24 in favor of Alex and then 25 to 23 in

favor of Giga the one thing that I would say surprised me was not that it wasn’t giga’s best performance ever or

something like that I I fully expected them to be a little bit Rusty when it all worked out I just thought he could have done a little bit more work I

thought the work rate was surprisingly a little bit low um you know I I think it might match

some of his more average no actually strikes under per minute is about a little higher than four so he didn’t

take as much damage but he didn’t quite he didn’t step on the gas pedal of this one a little more than I thought he

could have not recklessly that’s not what I’m saying that’s not what I’m saying but the fact that every round was

kind of numerically close that they basically were doing these not the same quality but the same level of more or

less activity that surprised me a little bit am I okay I mean you gotta no but I think some of

that falls into what Alex caceres was doing here having won seven of eight coming in and just not going away

quietly it seems like anytime Giga did land a big combination or or a big shot there was a counter there was sort of

something to give gig a pause from maybe doing exactly what you wanted him to do I give him the pass for not getting the

Finish considering the the the level of the opponent across from him and the time off

but I could see what you’re saying I mean maybe it’s the next fight that fully decides exactly where he’s going I

just think all things considered I saw the the mean streak back in him I saw a lot of what I needed to see but it it’s

just a tough opponent I mean look I’m waiting for you to finally put some respect on Bruce Leroy’s name and not

necessarily for his critical standing but more than show him the respect enough to pronounce his last four

different Native Spanish speakers yesterday because I had a bunch over how to pronounce it it’s casares

to somebody else okay well Luke I’m gonna work here did you admit that in the past you had the same one-sided

feeling that you were right on Rhonda’s last name until we played you the video of no I didn’t I wasn’t nearly as confident I wasn’t nearly as confident

but we had an argument about Bruce Leroy in the past in which I said well if Annex says it this way and you were like

I don’t care what annik says I want to hear a native speaker would it change your opinion about what Bruce Leroy says

Mikey hit it

hey my name is Alex caceres from the UFC whoa look at that Luke I mean yes that’s

what he tells English-speaking audiences let’s see what he tells Spanish thinking audience you can tell your four native

speakers that you talk to unless any of them are related to you where to shove it Luke and if they’re related to I apologize great find me someone who

speaks Spanish who pronounces it caseras doesn’t it doesn’t exist the point is

it’s like does it look like [ __ ] it’s Marty from Nebraska all over again people who have names from different

languages they will tell English-speaking audiences how to pronounce it a certain way so that the

same thing is it Adrian Yanez or is it Adrian Yanez which one is it because he tells everybody it’s Yanez on purpose so

he doesn’t have to deal with people [ __ ] up his last name that’s why it’s it’s Marty from Nebraska all over again

I know I don’t think so Luke I don’t think in this case if he’s I’m sure like on that video I’m sure he tells other

people like other Americans yeah it’s caseros I have no no doubt no doubt I’m just saying doesn’t it come down to the

horse’s mouth doesn’t come down to the fighter if he says it’s this it’s this I’ll tell you I’ll tell you what if if if he tells uh anyone else who speaks

Spanish it’s caserus I will completely say let’s serve up Crow I will eat it

then we’ll we’ll pause this and wrong for the future okay we’ll pause it that’s a deal that’s funny though you

got that ready though that’s funny that’s a good bit I see you yeah yeah I see you I forgot the guy’s name that DM

me that he’s like please play this for Luke tomorrow and I’m like yeah again telling English-speaking audiences how to pronounce it doesn’t prove jack [ __ ]

but okay well yeah but you’re you’re aggressively if you guys if you guys I mean I don’t

understand the confidence that y’all have to look at a name that is common in this part of the world and then to look

at it and be like oh no no the Gringo way of pronouncing it that’s the correct way I don’t understand that I don’t get

that and like we have other examples of Latino guys automatically changing their

names to American audiences and it doesn’t at least at least give you a little bit of pause about how people

navigate these worlds between two languages I don’t I don’t make judgments based on

where people are from I let them tell me how to say their name okay that’s the difference it’s between you and me I

mean really that’s it right yeah I pronounce words uh the best I can according to the language that they’re in yeah that’s true yeah you put the

language above the person though no I do the uh no I I don’t I put the

language in its proper position that’s what I do there unless they’re not BB I

know this whole bit like Luke is an elitist [ __ ] he likes to do stuff like this

but when you actually know people in the world who have had to change the way they pronounce their name to just fit

into other places it gives you a little bit of pause about declaring what you see when you see other people like that

trying to navigate those spaces it can’t be easy for them maybe he’s just comfortable doing that that could be the

case but what I’m trying to tell you is it’s not a name that only he and his family have it’s a vast name across a

vast expanse of the world and every time I find a native speaker to look at it whether they’re from Guatemala Colombia

Mexico they all pronounce it cassades all of them all of them so I’m just

trying to explain something to you he might be navigating the world in the best way possible or he can tell me it’s pronounced that way I will eat [ __ ] for

it I am but I’m a little bit skeptical that him talking to English-speaking audiences is the most accurate

reflection of what his name is that’s all okay Luke all right I mean I mean

that’s fair that’s a fair comeback but I have to say I have to say that’s a good bit you pulled I ain’t even mad at the bit the bit is funny the bit is funny uh

any final thoughts on him by the way his record his record is weird right what is Leroy’s record is sitting in a just this

bizarre place he wins a couple he loses he wins a couple he’s like 35 and like yeah better than ever kind of sorta

right kind of but this was the fight he needed to win against a name who had questions coming off a loss in a long

layoff and again I thought he fought well which is what I believe stopped Giga from from putting on the

kind of performance we all would have wanted to say oh he’s back with a bang put him in a title shot or put him up

against the number two or three guy um I’ll give Ruth’s Leroy credit for that but look he also needed this win to

get out of that grouping of sort of you know a guy that’ll juggle a winning or a loss here and there here and there seven

of eight has been great but you need name value on there this was that chance and you know I don’t know Luke I don’t

know how he gets out of this and makes another run uh maybe you got to double down and go right back in another tough matchup and try to try to score a big

win here he’s coming off two wins uh and obviously this one was a loss but I’m saying before that the Julian Arosa win

and then the Daniel Pineda win like those were two good ass wins and it wasn’t like he got beat up in this one

exactly I don’t think he’s fell that far I mean I know your point I agree with it there was a graduation opportunity here

they kind of fell short of but nevertheless it didn’t do major damage I’ll put it that way it didn’t do major damage to his standing he’s still pretty

pretty good pretty useful as a as a real quality test for opponents I think all

right with that in mind BC let’s go to the one kind of boxing note we had over the weekend

an interesting one a weird one right what would you say something a little bit unusual so here’s what happens the

here’s the overall result Alexander usick stops Daniel Dubois in the ninth round basically with a jab which was

kind of interesting he scored two knockdowns on the fight the second one was the one obviously that closed the show he never he got counted out and

then stood up after the counter right as the count was ending that was it so he scores a USIC scores a ninth round

stoppage but there was a fifth round weird shot

no I believe we have a little bit of footage to go over here before I spin it back to you BC if we can I want to take

a look at this uh if at all possible I don’t know if Mikey can punch it up or not yeah here we go this is the shot

right there that’s the shot in question that’s the one everyone has

talked about it’s that shot that is technically below or at however you want to describe it the belt line now I’ve

done a little bit of research on this I got some opinions but BC you’re the boxing guy so you go first question

number one was it a low blow my response is almost A Tale of Two Cities here because I did not watch this fight live

but was but knew about the results because I was uh running an errand in between a long day watching fights and

got a lot of DMS from fans with that video saying Hey BC is this is this on the like legit so or is this on the up

and up or not so if you only saw that footage we just showed you it’s a borderline shot and I’m here to

say that most referees are you know a lot of referees would have allowed that

and that would have been a knockdown effect people were even bringing up footage from earlier in usic’s career I forgot the opponent where the same thing

happened there was a a borderline shot he went down thought he was going to get time but the referee ruled it a knock

down and usick popped right back up and dealt with it um if you’re only looking at that footage it looks okay it does

but there are two elements that shrunk that footage one the letter of the law and two the referee’s discretion so

here’s what I mean the letter of the law on the rules of a low punch are that the navel the belly button is the line and

if a punch touches even impartial below the belly button it’s officially a low

blow that punch right on that logo because usik after getting up did kind of pull his trunks up a little so you

could see where his navel was it was right at the top of that belt line so technically yes officially technically

that’s a low blow but even what trumps the letter of the law during a fight is

referee’s discretion unfortunately for this fight we got Luis pabone who does not have a

good reputation in boxing mostly for the Vladimir Klitschko championship fight against Alexander povetkin in Moscow in

which Pabon allowed Klitschko to lean all over povetkin and constantly follow him and just you know just clench him

and elbow him and lean on him in ways that just didn’t give povetkin even a chance to compete in that fight but

Bone’s been largely Hit or Miss since then although he did the USIC AJ rematch without a major issue when you see Luis

pabone out there in fact you can search your favorite boxing writers on Twitter and search their history people are usually saying bad things than good

things poboned in the when the referee’s instructions when they were on camera in the ring did not mention the belt line

at all which means he talked to them in the locker room beforehand which is standard for everyone so it actually

comes down to wherever Luis pabone in the locker room told them was a legal

Punch or not basically he’s setting his own line that they have to deal with it’s like a umpire having his own strikes on right but in the third round

two rounds before the body shot knocked down USA got hit in the exact same spot with the exact same type of punch by

DuBois and right away pabone said nope that’s a low blow and went and put and was facing warned him so what I’m

basically saying is with the combination of the locker room talk and that instruction in round three and the fact

that Pabon in round five when the punch happened right away said nope it’s a low blow it’s a low blow guys it’s legally a

low blow based on the rules and pabones discretion trumps that and it was a low blow that doesn’t mean there’s no

problems with what happened right and the biggest problem was Pabon giving usik F the full five minutes forcing him

to take the full five minutes and then afterwards when music’s like no I’m ready let’s fight encouraging him to

take even more time which made no sense and began to scream an idea of impropriety that the favored

championusic was getting special treatment I also think usick sold the punch too much I’m not going to say it

didn’t hurt because legal or not right on the Belt Line we’ve all been kicked above the crotch before right or had

some type of mishap there you can get the same feeling of getting hit in the crotch I have no question that that hurt and he was reacting to that but once he

knew which was instantly that it was going to be ruled in a legal punch I think usick milked it too long and then

when he was given that extra time it made it look bad did it look bad yes but based on everything I just said should

it have been a knockout win for Daniel Dubois no look the answer is no it actually played out the way legally and

all things considered it was supposed to yeah so that’s a great answer that’s a great answer I’m really glad you

clarified it that way are there other ballots that Luis Pabon has had a

similar impact making questionable decisions in the middle of a fight yeah

I laid out for you the pavatkin versus Klitschko heavyweight title fight Moscow in which he tarnished his reputation and

then since then like I said you can search on Twitter he’s he’s Hit or Miss in the big moments you know sorry sorry

okay fair enough so uh if you can show it Mike if you don’t have it it’s okay but if you have the replay show it one

more time one more time guys pay attention not the thumb just the knuckles right on Dubois just the

knuckles there if you look at just the knuckles and not the thumb it actually I mean you can like one more time just

look at the knuckles right you see it’s significantly lower and the trajectory of the punch BC as you can see it’s

coming up this way so folks are kind of getting it where the park with at the end of the strike zone like where the catcher is then moving it to a little

bit versus more where it’s making initial contact but if you look at just that and then you look at the space to

your point anything below the navel in Nevada is the rule I looked up the rule in California it’s anything below the

hip line although the rules themselves don’t specify the hip line and that’s measured different ways but in this

particular case however the rules were whatever rule set was governing them you’re right it is technically a lobo

here’s where my question comes into play it’s not so much about the Pabon side one I’m surprised that about that’s

airing on ESPN granted it was in Poland and everything else I understand but bouts of significance why isn’t there

more instant replay is one thing I would say yeah the crowd the crowd sorry the British commentary was talking about VAR

I’m not I’m not still talking about vars I think from soccer if you don’t know BC we don’t need that but there is a question of instant replay and sort of

here’s the other part to me that I well actually you know what answer that one first why why isn’t there more Instant

Replay for main events in boxing it’s based on the state and the

commission and the ruling there and it’s usually a messy thing on top of that in terms of the execution of it for the

most part but in this case it wasn’t there I mean look like whether it’s you just mentioned you just Illustrated how

state by state the rules can be different it can be the naval or in California says it’s the hip line or whatever it comes down to what the

referee says not just in the locker room beforehand but most importantly in the moment and in the moment pabone called

it a low blow so it’s a low blow no matter what I get what you’re saying could we uh should we have had a replay

that could have changed this my only issue is that is it would have stopped the fight probably for even longer than

the time pabone gave usik and I think it would have been inconsequential in the end because it’s close it’s borderline

technically illegally it did stray below and if it Strays and even touches below that’s where it is if this was rule they

knocked down in the moment we would have to go with that nusic would have had to suck it up hurt and get up and try to

get there it really comes down to the referee but man okay so let me ask you on this level then and I also what about

this based on what you’re saying about Poland not being maybe a key spot for a huge fight this big uh it was raining

out and they had nothing in terms they had a top to the ring but it was ill-equipped for rain the rain the ring

was wet and the you know usick slipped at one point nearly went down and then also Anthony yaget on the undercard

um basically dealt with negligent medical attention on site after his loss uh to Baron chick and so all in all this

looked a little bit like a clown show Luke in terms of the commission and organization of it but again on that

decision referees call that’s what pabone did that’s it that’s that’s yeah also I don’t know if you saw this I

didn’t say anything on Friday’s show but like the the graphic they had for the weigh-in for this fight it said the

weight in not the way in so it’s like I wonder if there was a native speaker who was building all the stuff out yeah

they’re here or there here’s my question how come I’ve seen certain referees

not just allow it in real time but even at the instructions when they’re facing off say certain shots on the Belt Line

are okay why is there I I maybe the answer is referee discretion but it seems like I can understand why certain

fans are at a bare minimum confused or like I see guys land this all the time I think why is this one so different

because what said during the forced handshake in the referee’s instructions

in the ring is really just a summation of the 15-minute speech that the referee gives both Fighters and their teams in

the locker room beforehand about all the rules when they do it sometimes on TV just to reiterate it’s more for our

visual to see okay because the trainers are standing right behind them as they close up and it’s referees saying of a

reminder this is the line it would have helped if we can go back and rewatch the tape and pabone had done that he didn’t

he kind of pointed toward the waist but didn’t really Define it but he clearly does that in locker room because it’s

part of the job you have to so the fighters knew and Luke you know when I bring up that third round shot same

exact shot but bone instantly ruled it a a low blow it’s ref he’s calling all

this stuff that’s what it is so like I don’t you know I don’t know why people were I don’t know look the question

comes down to this if pabone had ruled it a legal shot in the moment would have usik have gotten up that’s

the real question here that people but nobody knows the answer to that it’s impossible to know

so what what are we supposed to do here it’s pabone’s call and letter of the law it’s true it was a low blow that’s what

it is it just he shouldn’t have given us like 25 minutes to to to figure it out I mean that was BS that was but that’s

that’s the highest level in boxing we got Lawrence Coles we’ve got Luis pabones we’ve got these guys Luke who

freeze in the big moment never seemed to catch a receipt for it and are shoved out first in line when we have a big

fight once again that’s a larger issue that than than anything usick did you know okay is there now an argument to be

made because uh afterwards there were lots of people who had found footage from various fights I think all of them

really a cruiserweight well maybe one from Joshua but whatever where he took a shot to the midsection

and some of them were quite legal and he went down or was like visibly affected by it can we now affirmatively conclude

that if you’re gonna fight usick it appears that his endurance and ours should say durability to the body is

questionable yes and Tim Bradley who I think is really starting to stand out I know he’s got some [ __ ] that people

don’t like but Tim Bradley on the ESPN call at the start of round one said Dubois only chances by going to the body

and he gave all the reasons why you would want to do that I think it plays into this part of what makes what usik is doing at

heavyweight so beautiful so incredible so extreme art is that he’s so small for

heavy I know he’s six three but you know he’s a Cruiserweight physically Luke he takes on a lot of a lot of damage to win

these fights like Pacquiao Pacquiao when he was running up all the way to Margarita at 100 you know in that 150 pound catch pound catch weight fight he

took a beating in that fight even though he dominated Margarita because he’s facing such bigger guys I think at times

usick has looked a little bit more human in some of these heavyweight fights particularly the Derek jasorophyte which

was his first big test in the division because Styles make fights and the guys that are able to use their physicality

on him uh you know he’s got a really good chin and he’s bitten down on some big shots but it’s physically taxing he

even said after that first AJ win that he was hurt he didn’t show it but he was you know he was beat up in that fight so

I think that you know the box look the body thing is smart because he’s a mover for the most part usik especially if

he’s ever going to be in trouble you’re going to really see him move but Luke I think what makes him great is he’s

welcoming so much risk in bigger men across from him but dude he operates right in front of you for being a guy

who’s known as a trickster a classy boxer a technical you know fiend he does stand right in front of you and he’s and

he’s there for you to to take big swings at like he dares to be great and dares to take on danger in such an extreme way

that being physical with him and slowing him down is the only way you’re going to beat him I will tell you what though was kind of

interesting so in the ninth when it all finally stopped he gets hit with the jab but you know I’m not saying a jab like we just popped his head back it was at

an angle where it actually Twisted it so he actually got hit with a nice hard jab okay In fairness to Dubois but he gets

counted out and then stands as the basically the count is over and they called it okay boy let me ask you something BC because

it’s something I just don’t fully understand boxing media [ __ ] trashed him trashed

him and not just that a lot of other boxers on Twitter too and they’re like Dubois may have had whatever he had in

the fifth but in the ninth when he got dropped he could have stood up and he just quit calling him dude I saw a

boxing media calling him a quitter how come you don’t like you see people trash MMA fighters but you don’t

typically see like credentialed MMA media calling someone a quitter calling someone a clown or trash why does boxing

media do that boxing’s Cutthroat in a lot of ways I mean MMA but it’s really

brutal and I think also look this is a fighter from the UK um in a big fight in Europe and in the

UK media in particular it the culture is much more Cutthroat in that regard but you’re right you don’t see anyone

hesitating in American media from saying that because it’s true Luke so here’s the deal

when Dubois lost to Joe Joyce in that battle of unbeatens in the moment it looked like he quit and he got a lot of

criticism for it it looked like he could have continued despite the the the intense swelling on his eye we would

come to find out like Vitale Klitschko when he quit against Chris bird and we found out after that his shoulder was

basically that in you know that far away from ripping from the bone and him his career being over we found out no you

know Dubois Facebook was like I was badly broken like anybody would have quit there and rightfully so we all said

all right let’s let’s not talk about that like should we talk about that in general Luke no probably not but we do

see some I don’t know if you remember Andrew Ruiz against Tor Hamer I mean at the at the highest level Sometimes some

guys sometimes just quit they just quit they’re like no more no ma there’s no monster Amir Khan against Bud Crawford

yes so I think people gave Dubois a pass and yet here he is back in a much bigger

fight against the unified heavyweight champion in a fight that he may have actually had a case in making an

argument that he should that he could have or or did knock out usick based on that debate we just had and then when

the fight started to really not go his way with the first knockdown in the eighth round and then eventually the ninth round stoppage when they saw what

seemed to be teasing elements of of quit again it’s sort of like oh I told you so I told you he was

a quitter we had to give him a pass last time but right there but Luke even though that’s extremely harsh dude it’s

true he quit now I’m not going to say that he didn’t get hit real as you said that jab was more than a jab it was like

a power cross it was like using squared up and then with his right hand came with a cross and for a guy whose same

eye was already broken in the past could that have hit him and hurt him in a way that it’s sort of like oh I’m not going down that road for my own health I got

no issue with that if that’s the case and that turned out to be the case against Joe Joyce but he absolutely took

the knee waited till 10 and then stood up there’s no question about it could he have continued Luke yes did he have

legit reasons why he shouldn’t have I mean that’s his call and when you’re talking about health especially here I I’m not going to come out here and and

use it as a negative and say oh Dubois has always been a quitter no he’s a warrior and he went in there against

arguably the best heavy weight in the world and one of the top five pound for pound in the world and had a moment had

some moments was okay but Luke I think it was fatigue and I think all of that got once it was sick really started to

zoom in just so people know using stood so close to Dubois swiveled with his head to to you know Miss shots and then

just sticking him and even though sick is not known as a big puncher at heavyweight his punching is so accurate

so clean so fast that he beat the fight out of him did usik did and so that’s

why you see people piling on Dubois in that regard I’m not gonna pile on Luke but if he asked me if he quit he quit

it’s the truth yeah I mean I think he did quit as well but again if he had something wrong with his Ai and you know

who knows what his reasons are for quitting ultimately but yeah I do think agree it was just jarring to see it was

jarring to see normally mild Manner and media members there’s a lot of M’s there but uh

just [ __ ] trashing the guy I was like whoa this is this is new I hadn’t seen

something quite like this before but okay neither here nor there last thing I’ll say on this and then we’ll put a bow on this conversation

does the result of this and the controversy in terms of maybe some of the weaknesses shown about USIC

does it make a fight with Fury after and ganu more likely or does it not really have an effect I think um it may end up

not having an effect but if if two if if forced to choose either way I think it’ll help it I think it shows the path

to Victory it shows some vulnerability Fury will always be a favorite against USIC most of us are going to end up picking Fury

um when you know if and when this actually happens there there is some element to the idea of Fury realizing that usick’s the only

guy that could beat him truly now look could Wilder land a big punch right could Joshua Land one big punch it’s

possible but reality Luke who’s actually beating this version of Tyson Fury at heavyweight the only guy who has a

legitimate chances usik even though he wouldn’t be the betting favorite I do wonder if Fury’s just trying to wait him

out U6 not young we’ll see is he 36 or 37 Luke not young at all I have his information here he does take heavy

physical damage even in wins even in some one-sided wins because he’s a daring fighter who stands so close right

there in the pocket 36. I do wonder if Fury’s even though we don’t panic about age at heavyweight if Fury’s just like

look I’ll cash out and ganu here I got my reality show here the thing is Luke we not only want Fury to act the part of

being heavyweight champion and welcoming all comers to take on History we want it in our timetable and we want it we want

him to be honest he’s not doing any of the of the sort right because every time he speaks he goes in 10 different

directions but the reality is after the sangano fight there would be no other excuse they gotta do this fight it could

happen let’s say spring of next year and I think Fury probably saw a little bit more to give him more confidence that if

he comes in with a style meant to lean on Fury which AJ was never able to do never able to cross that line and be

more physical to the point where it was like potentially helping him win now he did he did bother usick he did push him

physically couldn’t get over the hump could Fury do that could he lean on him and go to the body with giant hooks you

damn right he could Luke so I wonder if in the long run this is a net positive for for usik to finally get the the

fight now just to remind you usick had to sign with that Saudi Arabian based boxing promotion and a lot of people

thought that was a prerequisite to get in line to fight Fury ringside in Poland

was Amir Abdallah from that from that promotion in Saudi Arabia does that mean that that does that have connections to

Fury does that mean that we’re still likely to see Fury and usick early next year it makes sense right also Luke did

you notice Jake Paul and Nikita baderian were there I did yes well and Jake had a couple social videos out with usik what

do you think that was about I don’t know I mean I part of me wonders

like you know is he a genuine boxing fan and you know he’s obviously a multi-millionaire so he can just go to

big boxing events when he wants it could be but I tend to think it’s probably not just that there’s got to be some sort of

business component but if you have a better read on it than I do by all means let me know no I I think it was just that there was some level of business

component with somebody right whoever could be Saudi Arabia it could be anybody who knows they were there to do business with someone and also see the

the USIC and Dubois fight but what the business is I don’t know I guess we’ll find out all right now BC that’s it for

our top five normally we would do DMS here but I think what might make more sense is maybe to push those to

Wednesday and we just get to what I’m told is an absolutely epic bag well I don’t know

about epic it has a chance Luke it has a chance to be great this this this batch of [ __ ] we got here so I’m leaving you

Brian giving me clearance in the runway because right after we filmed this look I’m gonna be getting on a plane anyway

um for La Big Business to come so I’m gonna hit you right now with what I did yesterday Luke which was Scott wearing

the globe I actually did it on Saturday right I looked for the highs and the lows The Good the Bad the Ugly in Combat Sports uh and in between too and there’s

some elder abuse and there’s some you know really weird stuff going on it’s called have you seen this [ __ ] let’s [Applause]

[Music]

all right Luke there’s our new theme song on there which I by the way I dig it I love it it’s so much better it’s

better than than us making uh you know like those kind of noises let’s go to UFC Singapore Luke apparently Max

Holloway is the heat did you see this pre-fight what are we doing here Max let’s listen hey guys guys this guy told

me bring the heat tomorrow that joke’s on him I am the heat let him know

but that what Joe Rogan was there so that couldn’t have been Singapore uh oh really dude was that that was that

an old one show it again oh I got hey guys this guy told me bring the heat tomorrow

that joke’s on him I am the Heat Luke the joke’s on me you’re right the

joke’s on me that’s an old clip but uh great due diligence there yeah it was a core ball dad joke but I was into it for

Max though so thank you very much uh the Giga show is back Luke let’s listen in on Chicago giving the nice full job on

us and I have a big announcement today to say

so it’s been a long time and uh

I decided to you guys always back [ __ ] I’m coming back for everybody schedule

Movies 16 December I want to be there I never

bought the paper you’ve got three times I Wanna Be There look that was pretty good I popped for

that that’s pretty good I popped I popped for it too actually I would like to tell you that I didn’t but I did it worked all right we just took it from

Connor but hey if it works just keep doing it there it is uh Parker Porter Connecticut’s finest Luke finished his

tour of taffa and he finished it face down Luke which helped me on okay bed here’s a a little look in here just the

worst bed ever I mean but Luke you have alluded that there are actually two

other Combat Sports taffa Brothers what how awesome would it be if this guy can

retire having fought Jon Jones in all four taffas it would be uh he would go

into the Connecticut hall of fame or maybe New Zealand Hall of Fame I don’t know but uh yeah that was that was a

tough ending for old Parker Porter Let’s go to heavyweight Waldo costes Acosta Luke I made the really bad Godfather

joke of him sending Lucas sabreski to live with the fishes but it turned out to be true face first bro dude not just

that like that could have been bad the way he landed first of all this this donk came right over the top nice shot

and then look at him that’s like me on the dance floor right there look dude oh yo dude landing on your head like that

that is insanely dangerous yeah that’s bad that’s insanely dangerous

[Music] post whippets in the uh back yeah there you go uh pfl playoff time Luke this is

a holdover from Wednesday from New York City Biagio Ali Walsh the grandson of the greatest scored a pretty gnarly KO

they’ve been featuring him pretty high that’s that’s Ali Walsh in the red yeah I’m gonna guess the guy the white guy

with dreadlocks is not a Ali descendant Luke his brother uh and boxing lost on

over the weekend you see that on the top ring dude he closed or in some places as a minus

2 000 favorite and then lost a decision yeah I mean he’s been shaky in some wins

he’s gone through a ton of different trainers he can punch a little bit but yeah that was a uh he’s gonna find dude he’s gonna fight Jake Paul right like

that’s gonna happen oh that oh dude I didn’t even consider that yeah oh my gosh okay uh Luke future wife alert or

no let’s go to the Ball Game you tell me

[Music] play that one more time play that one more time

do you think it’s staged Luke is it my imagination or is she just

eating sausage and then washing it down with Tito’s vodka yeah she’s drinking she’s

eating a Joey Chestnut Style Just raw dog in it Luke just just grossly yeah wife material no not wife material but

uh Friday night material material yes uh Luke uh remember that

those famous kickboxers that went tip on tip and it started the Revolution and we put their poster up on the uh bomb

shelter Studio yes this is the one that well you know you say we I don’t know

that it’s a wee thing more than it’s just a new fashion project of yours like

that Frozen rope McGregor had for Mayweather at their way and these two men were so jacked up at the idea of

fighting each other that they got aroused the same thing happened in this Queensbury promotions boxing bout over

the weekend look look at that guy in the red holy crap look at the unit on that guy

[Music] I cannot believe we have a podcast where we encourage readers to look at men’s

dicks dude I’ve been sent that video probably 350 times in the past like week

of for people you know what the other guys but here’s the thing okay I’m gonna do I promise I want to do this for

everyone show it one more time we have to show the whole thing but just check this out it’s you’re saying to touch it

it’s really just the guy on the left yeah but they’re touching tips Luke this is happening I know but if you’re the guy on the right you got to back up a

couple steps right yeah you do yeah you do unless you I mean let me know you know you gotta You Gotta Lose the the

battle to win the war here alone you know you got to find out if you’re really about that life turned out he was though Luke turned out he was uh time

for your Kos of the week let’s watch this referee closely here I don’t think I’ve seen this before

oh he got hit with the Thunder yes he did they’re gonna need another from

Mexico versus Ireland or whatever yeah yikes oh wow all right yeah amateurs bro

they’d be doing the Spazzy stuff you gotta yeah Regional MMA too anything can happen that’s crazy uh let’s go to the

hockey game here let’s see we haven’t seen a good hockey fight in a while on this show caps open up in uh 46 days oh

Jesus oh [ __ ] yeah that’s a double that’s like a good hockey fight that was

like Fedor and matrion and Metreon on Ice Luke that was great dude that was

that was great they were killing each other Russian MMA I think this is like a

weigh-in show of some kind they always fight on the show Luke watch this oh yeah right oh

okay real question real question how much more popular would UFC be if there

was an ESPN show equivalent to this and they were like regularly bringing on people that hate each other and they

were fighting and brawling before the fights like regularly Luke oh damn she got dude she gets hit yes I tell you

what you know what instead of press conferences they should just allow UFC fighters to do Palace at the malice and

just start beating the [ __ ] out of fans you know what I’m talking about because the fans get up there and be like hey my question is for Izzy Izzy uh I just

wanted to know why you paint your nails like a [ __ ] they’ll do all that stuff and then the crowd goes crazy but the rules should be if you ask a question

like that he gets to run into the stands like Ron our test and just [ __ ] your [ __ ] up doesn’t he are you talking about

uh Captain Jack Stack five our colleague Luke he went in there and gave that kind of the business okay meta World Peace uh

he wasn’t he was brought our test at the time but middle World Peace would [ __ ] your [ __ ] up too they’ll be throwing water bottles at Metta World Peace oh

and when we’re working with Steven Jackson at the boxing fights we’re very polite because we’ll let Steven Jackson

your ass there’s no question our final KO of the week nominee comes in this backyard fight

all right just oh what oh [ __ ] god dude I like how he just posts up on his elbow

he’s like nah I’m just gonna go to the beach just dude he’s turned into a Pez container that’s insane look at the way that neck you know I don’t think he One

More Time Monkey I don’t think he had the sturdiest chin I’m just gonna oh I don’t think he had a chin or a neck

I like how he just posts up right here he’s like yeah I’m good yeah I’m dead I’m dead uh Luke the great workout

gloves debate it’s continuing it’s an ongoing thing let’s go to new member of ESPN’s First Take Shannon sharp are you

gonna attack Shannon sharp too I like Shannon sharp first of all it kills me that man’s got to be like 50 years old

and he is jacked as yeah he’s jacked as [ __ ] he’s mid 50s those are 115s the

range of motion isn’t full but it’s pretty good and this is incline on top of that and he’s in his 50s you know I

can’t say my man’s not strong he’s strong as [ __ ] also also I will say this constantly

wearing a uh belt is a little much it’s a little much you’re not going to say

[ __ ] to him about gloves when he’s this Jack there’s nothing I would I would I’d be like Shannon you’re too good for this

walking down the gloves friend I wonder if situationally you will allow gloves

at the gym like maybe not near the machines or weights but what about in the bathroom if something big is brewing

let’s go to the next one Luke had to max out the toilet at the gym are you okay with the straps in this case look yeah

so this is not a glove this is a strap which is used to lift heavy weight that’s pretty funny that the guy is in

the uh the disabled person stall and using that to rap so he can take his protein [ __ ] yeah there you go Luke uh

look I don’t know if you knew this during your vacation but apparently you went to Home Depot and got in a fight and every one of our audience sent it to

me let’s let’s look at it in a bit tell me this isn’t you Luke please

looks a lot like you I’m telling you wait is this after the Montgomery brawl that the white folks are learning how to

get around the chairs dude that’s you that’s Spider-Man meme

come on I know I wish it wasn’t I did I wish it wasn’t but it is people sent

that to me I just immediately block them you know uh time for some extreme I’m teasing gonna do that we love that on

this show I call this two ice cream cups one man [Music]

foreign

I gotta tell you man I gotta tell you like how do we feel about constant if not so

much molestation but constant use of fast food workers first for our Tick

Tock videos do we feel like that’s fair as a former McDonald’s uh drive that

it’s considered yeah all right uh Luke I used to be that teenage kid who would put so much ketchup on his plate that I

would dip the entire Burger into it it would be like dripping when I take a bite I was a Savage but I wasn’t this

Savage okay you want to do this for a long time double cheeseburger Heinz Ketchup

it’s beautiful

stick it in here like that go all the way to the bottom oh

um like me trying to clean myself in

Colombia after my bout with diarrhea oh that guy I guess yeah I don’t even like

oh you’re laughing about that where exactly is the humor he’s just being he’s just being stupid

right you’re like this is what those people do those dub tees Luke uh the LA that guy looks like every dad from my

hometown by the way I’ll say that our final extreme the burger looked quite nice he just ruined it but you know what

are you gonna do yeah I mean but let’s check out this guy trying to take down the whole car in his mouth watch this

laughs

okay that’s a little better that’s a little better that’s definitely Joey Joey Chestnut the grossest person in

America yeah hot dog buns all every every July 4th

imagine having a French kiss that guy if you’re if you’re like dating him Luke that’s gotta be just there’s so much

pork in there that’s gross all right it’s time to rate that tat Luke this is where you do your best work you and Cheeto Vera

big trouble big tattoo check this out Luke that is a 10 out of 10. I wouldn’t

want it I wouldn’t get it Kurt Russell got a bit of a weird nose but in general that is

Kim Cattrall wow you got Kim control I got the whole nine on there huh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

that’s very uh by the way a couple of the faces below like near the ankle are a little bit jacked up but in general in

general this is an extremely good tattoo very very good Dan hooker’s had a big

2023 adding ink to his body here’s the latest Luke your thoughts

it’s a lot it’s a lot to be quite candid with you I would

agree look yeah that’s that is uh you know that’s hard to go to the PTA meeting with that you know what I mean

um that’s right all right what do you think about vegan tats

looks like when you go to Columbia eat everything yeah all right Luke all right yeah exactly same rule applies time for

your car bumper sticker of the week or it’s not quite a bumper sticker Luke what do you think of that

okay you know if you’re gonna deface your own

property that’s probably the best way to do it probably it look you ever go to a high school football game and see those

old ass newspaper reporters I’ve been covering the same local area for 52 years and they you know they they smoke

cigarettes in bed like before and uh you know it’s just the worst watch this guy’s luck on the sideline here you got

to watch out when they run that sweep oh no oh no

that’s worst case scenario in every possible way right

oh dude does this [ __ ] not have suspenders or a belt uh he dropped his dungarees for the

world to see there Luke I want to point out something listen one more time Mikey if you can one more

dude look at the size of my man’s underwear you could you could you could

use his underwear as a raft to get from Cuba to Florida you could absolutely do that we have Leonardo DiCaprio’s

character could have survived with underwear like that Luke in Titanic for sure uh let’s go to the punch machine

it’s Instant Comedy at all times right baby

oh we don’t have that one but what we do have just in its place Luke is Oscar De

La Hoya being weird what do you think about this is

uh what is he saying

glad to see Oscars staying sober these days you know

his uh social media has been in a TR it’s just been out of control is it me

or is he picking more fights than ever these days ever yeah he is all right time for your fails of the week uh this

is why old people shouldn’t jump rope for this reason right here Luke oh no oh oh what the [ __ ]

dude that did not go how I thought it was gonna go I thought I was getting ready for a face plant my man just

teleported through the yeah goodbye uh look speaking of place face plants you

ever try to jump a stream with a with a BMX

oh no well hey look he ended up where he

belonged the whole time yeah six feet under that’s just dude look at this by the way that that white guy could barely leap across

I mean just enough speed to get I want to point out this [ __ ] had just enough speed to get paralyzed that’s it

all right let’s go over to the the back nine here for our third fail of the week but this is actually on purpose pretty

funny though yeah great open field tackle right there look

that’s great dude if that was golf was more of that I’d be I’d 100 would watch uh okay okay hey Luke um I know you

stand by DC at all times ever been to U Street in Washington yeah you street is famous yeah okay well let’s go on

and see the ladies on U Street look

[Applause]

ladies of the Night On You by the way so that area you see that Warby Parker there that’s actually where I got these

glasses that’s a real true story nice the uh that area is actually pretty nice but it’s right near this like sports bar

where all of this craziness happens called Nellie’s and uh dude [ __ ] be acting they act wild

out there they act wild out there you know I’m too old for that [ __ ] now yeah I can’t do it look you and I will be back in studio this week in Jersey and

um I already petitioned to malka to pick this item up this is the only way I’ll sit next to you is if you’re wearing

this okay

[Laughter] dude I literally let a fart go this

morning when I got up and my wife goes don’t assault me don’t

assault me with your fart oh my God that’s how bad it was wow she she had Dutch oven flashbacks right there look

you know it was it was it was ugly hey I got good and bad news about Gary Busey Luke

the good news is he’s still alive what he got sober that would be the bad news no no the good news is he’s still alive

the bad news is Luke buttered sausage first of all Gary thank you for being on let’s talk about the current real estate

market and talk about buttered sausage talk about buttered sausage where it comes from what it does why is it doing

what it’s doing get it out of my face buttered sausage buttered sausage

I take it real estate’s not your jam it’s not my jam I don’t buy Jam buy honey and I kiss it on the lips

oh my God hold on is that what is that what is is that

real I don’t think so but it’s brilliant just I mean no it is kind of real right like I I believe Gary Busey said that I

but the interview feels uh set up it does feel like uh let me see that one more time I gotta go

let’s see I Gotta See crazy Gary one more first of all Gary thank you for being on let’s talk about the current real estate market and talk about

buttered sausage talk about buttered sausage where it comes from what it does why is it doing what it’s doing get it

out of my face buttered sausage buttered sausage I take it real estate’s not your jam

it’s not my jam I don’t buy Jam buy honey and I kiss it on the lips oh my God

that’s how BC ends every phone call I don’t bother you I buy honey I kiss it on the lips

that was so good look if I end up that like the grandfather version of me will probably look and sound exactly like

that inevitably right let me explain some to you ending up that way would be infinitely better than how I’m probably

going to end up yeah you’re right you’re right all right I got one more uh or I

got one more for you Luke I don’t know if you ever ordered a Coke in a drive-through uh I don’t know if you

ever wanted a Coke and drive through like this guy did let’s listen uh Pepsi we only have Coke I’ll take a gram

just the coffee’s good [Music] see what I mean harassing these these

fast food employees yes for your dumbass tick tocks that was brought to you by coach Craig Jones thank you very much

that’s all the [ __ ] that can that’s fit to print uh Luke do you remember um to close here

MK documentary number two which still arguably the best one and it closed with

a song a member of our donkey verse wrote um saying uh uh I can be your

co-host Baby by Ricky Martin yes or Enrique Iglesias Jr one of the two yeah

I think it’s a major yeah and that guy’s name is uh uh Damien O’Hara I believe

Ohana uh this guy started his own podcast and interviewed uh John S Nash about uh the Anti-Trust and fighter

relations so a uh another podcaster has been birthed Luke from the uh charred remains of MK loins and I’m very happy

to see that all right very good looks like I don’t know that guy I don’t care that’s that’s

more good publicity than you’ve than I’ve ever gotten from you about my personal Channel I just want to point

that out I’ve never I’ve told people of where they can send their money Luke and whether you know in the value that they

can get yeah you want them to shove it up their ass is what you want yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah by the way how’s the Cameo business is it still yeah I got

two in the holster right now I gotta I gotta knock out it’s still it’s still moving product Luke you know it’s a nice one I’m gonna make you do a cameo

and I’m gonna I’m gonna I gotta figure out exactly how I’m gonna do it but you’re not gonna like it okay okay I’m

into that what’s the cheapest Cameo what’s the cheapest one you mean I mean you set your own prices

you don’t have like a I don’t don’t they have like oh it’s a hundred bucks for this person it’s 50 bucks for that person you have one price for a regular

Cameo then there’s a really expensive price if you’re doing a corporate version like for another company and

then they can add they can order off the menu and add on special requests or they can DM you for a couple bucks uh I don’t

know look there’s a lot of ways to scam your audience there but at least I try to do it consensually you know what’s the most anyone’s paid you for a cameo

uh well they can tip you afterwards so I’ve been tipped the full amount that they paid for the Cameo because they

were so happy Luke I mean look you know like 2x read my reviews the proof is in the puddin as Floyd would say Luke okay

yes it certainly is all right let’s remind people about the put and we’ve been putting in that work so why don’t you vote for us if you can for the world

MMA Awards there is the graphic right there you can put your phone up to the screen you can do all the voting you can

vote for morning combat best MMA programming for the 15th annual World MMA Awards and of course world MMA

awards.com is going to be the place to do that of course showtime.com is the

label that pays you can go there too for all the showtime stuff uh let’s see

morning combat gmail.com for fan Subs did it wrong now BC we should do this I’m kind of calling an audible here but

I do want your participation if we can very quickly yeah we have toyed with the idea of doing like a DMS from Doc’s kind

of segment where people send in either audio clips that they have recorded of themselves yes or video clips would you

like to kick the tires on that for Wednesday I would so here’s what we need from you

folks we need you to utilize that email address where you send in your fan subs and dead wrongs morningcombat gmail.com

Mikey’s on the other end but we need some multimedia like Luke said if you if you got a face for a radio and you can

only do audio that’s cool but you want to get fun you want to get cool you want to get your question answered you can

send them in over video you can roast us you can do whatever you want go to morningcombat gmail.com and uh Luke this

could be the beginning of taking that segment to the next level okay yes I would love to do this so BC gave you all

the info just take a you can use your phone record it send an MP3 to us at morning combat or morningcombat

gmail.com do all that or take a video we would you know I’ll be honest video preferred but not required not required

and if you want to do that we would love we would love to do more of that kind of stuff with you guys I think it’d be a

lot of fun it would also help like that trivia challenge I had while you were gone Luke for Shaq to try that I was

meant to just solicit how many 10 out of 10 responses we can get to find out who are the real p1s that will most likely

try to harvest your organs in a pool inside a tub in an abandoned building so now if we get video footage of them

speaking it’ll help the authorities win the show inevitably uh okay Ends by co-host death so I love it I love this

tragic tragic stabbing yeah yeah all right I gotta go to the bathroom and get on a plane look I’ll be hosting the um

Canelo Charlo pay-per-view undercard press conference tomorrow in La we got

your Dennis ugas we got Erickson Lubin we got Jesus Ramos Jr we got so many big names uh um Mario Barrios Elijah Garcia

on and on so tomorrow afternoon people can check that out on the Showtime sports YouTube channel all right so BC’s

got to catch a bird we’re done for the day we’re gonna have some fun on Wednesday we’re gonna be in studio on Friday and a whole lot of stuff between

now and then thank you guys so much for watching for showtime for CBS thank you Mikey I know we busted your balls up

front but you did a great job today thank you Mikey you think everyone else involved in the process we’ll see you guys on Wednesday and until then may all

of your gains be loyal welcome class do you guys know the theme of the book The

theme is the NFL and CBS streams live on Paramount plus that’s not the theme of

the book Josh high class that’s Josh Allen what Tony meant to say was the NFL

on CBS streams live on Paramount plus that’s exactly what he just said what does this have to do with English Lit

because the NFL on CBS streaming live on Paramount plus is lit

feels good to make a difference Tony I’ve seen my future let me show you

yours [Music]

it’s a win-win [Applause]

[Music] you can’t deny the people what they

crave I like this plan it’s a good plan

what’s up guys welcome back to the weekly scraps

episode 245 We are booking bro cranking and rolling all right

so we’re about a week removed from our fight now um obviously things Gonna Go My Way but

for some reason I this is like this is like the lightest I’ve felt in a

very long time and not to bore guys with this I know I think we touched on this a little bit

last week um just since 2019 when I got my first surgery with my wrist I mean I’ve had

surgeries before that when I had my first surgery with that that was like the most recent one I thought Pedro I

thought Jimmy Rivera then four pages Munoz I knew my wrist was getting bad deteriorating I got the surgery I was

out for a year I came back pretty much right into a camp so from that whole

time doing PT because obviously if you’re partying and you’re drinking the whole time it slows down your recovery

so I wasn’t really able to to do that to enjoy the W’s as much so from there to

sandhagen then to the yawn fight um I was supposed to fight yond and the fight got pushed back my neck issues

then John pulled out of the fight so delays delays delays so it’s just constant training camp start stop start

stop so it’s like a mental and physical roller coaster that you have to try to make sure you’re peaking at the right

time not over training and things like that so with that being said

then I go into the yarn fight we all know how crazy that was the knee

everyone thought I was acting I’m out for a year with surgery again

this time my neck thinking my career is over so the whole time I’m grinding trying to get back so just imagine

grinding for a year like yeah you could party a little bit but at the same time you’re kind of like well there’s only so

much I could do because I don’t want to give my body Dimension return to slow down my recovery because at that point everyone hated me thought I was milking

just to have the belt I’m like dude man I’m actually legitimately hurt I’ve been hurt for a very long time and I’ve just

been sucking it up and competing so like I said long story short this is

the lightest I felt in a long time stress-free I legit don’t have anyone calling my

phone talking about a potential fight date talking about when they want me to get

back any type of timeline I don’t have to do another surgery thank thank God

this is this is the this is the best downtime that I’ve ever had and I I feel

like I just feel like a big burden over my shoulders win or lose obviously I would have liked to have

gone out with the win and then take my vacation and still would have felt the same but you know it is what it is I

made good money I’m happy about the opportunity I had a chance to do something that I don’t

think any other UFC champion has ever done in in terms of the turnaround and coming out of a five rounds I don’t I

don’t want to use the war the word War because when I think of War I’m thinking like

Dan Henderson Shogun Hua I’m thinking Forrest Griffin Stefan Bonner like those are Wars Jon Jones versus Alexander

Gustafson won that’s a war I had a very competitive and painful scrap with

Hennessy you know went the distance and then to make a turn around like that to go do something

you know to to chase a dream to chase a goal and to take out the biggest name in my

division right now in the states I took a shot obviously I came up short

um for technical reasons that you know I I saw something that I I actually dented

in and I got caught I got caught from a beautiful setup

um and I don’t want to call a setup a beautiful a beautiful counter you know because I I don’t want to say like the

guy knew I was going to run in but I I have shown that tendency in the past that sometimes I’ll push forward and

even go into this I knew that was something I couldn’t do but somehow uh I just kind of drew a blank in that

second because I thought I saw whatever thought I saw something Sean did a great job he capitalized and

uh so that’s why I don’t like using the word cart because they knew that was something but I don’t still don’t want

to say they set it up knowing like hey he’s going to come forward now because definitely I don’t think it was like that at least in my opinion I don’t know

him and his team thinks but um that’s how I felt so just just saying like I feel good man

Life’s good so I I’ve been getting a lot of text and I still got a ton of DMs I got to get through

um if I just like it guys don’t don’t hate me there’s just so many messages and personal texts that I’ve gotten that

I had to actually take time to respond to um so like the fans and whatnot like

obviously we don’t have like a deep connection the sense that we have a personal interaction

um so just don’t hate me for just giving it a like at least I’ve read it you know what I mean I I think that’s cool that I’m

even taking the time to to read people’s messages and things like that so uh thank you for the love and support man

it’s it’s been um cool to see the kind of turnaround that people are actually starting to see

my real personality even though I don’t think um I I really am saying or doing

anything different than I have yeah I’ve talked I talk to my opponents that’s just the name of the game I promote the fight that’s what I do with

everybody but I think people are now starting to actually listen to my words as opposed to ignoring what I’m saying

because they they think my run was very um fluky or whatever I mean even if you

want to say my run has been fluky I that’s a pretty damn good fluke at the

highest level to have fluke wins over some really badass that

fight hey you know what I mean so to say it’s a fluke it’s it’s a weird thing to to describe a fight if I’m using my

style to neutralize my opponent and win the best way that I could possibly win

um but with that being said people are going to always have their opinions and I can’t do anything about that all I can

do is do me compete as best as I compete and hopefully the fight goes my way

and obviously the last one didn’t um I’m kind of liking the green hair though I I kind of feel like the Riddler

slash Green Lantern and it kind of gives me my Caribbean Jamaican Vibes with the

green and obviously Boston was green as well so it kind of just worked so I’m thinking like fight week this

might be something that I do going forward so I don’t know I mean let me know what you guys think in the comments for sure because I I like the look

I think it’s pretty different um there’s not a lot of guys coming out with just green hair green breeds I’m

not dying it I got some green hair actually in my hair and it’s actually making the hair hold up I’m clearly not

training and sweating as much as I was before so it’s lasting a bit longer

um but yeah man it’s like I said I I I don’t feel any regrets for taking a

fight taking the opportunity like but let’s call it what it is this that fight was stacked to the gills in O’Malley’s

favor to win and I think I did a pretty damn good job of trying to drown out the noise focus on me focus on the things

that I can control and put myself and give myself the best opportunity to win it just came up short you know it wasn’t

like I got beat down if I got beat down and I was mentally out of it then it’s a

different conversation you know what I mean um but I I don’t feel there’s any

inadequacy in skill level or well obviously in the counter department but

in skill level in terms of the Striking and the fight IQ

um there was clearly a discrepancy in patience though patience for sure if I

just had just taken my time I could legitimately just thought five rounds like I did the first round

and I think the fans rightfully would have been more mad at Sean as the

striker of the fight predominantly stays on a fee and to not really be opening up and taking chances and that’s where I

kind of dropped the ball because eventually he would have had to have come to me and uh I think I could have did a better job a much better job of

staying patient and staying true within myself but it is what it is man you live and you learn you can’t win them all

I’ve had a good run and I think there’s more good times to come of course and

with that being said um I I think there’s a couple fun matchups for O’Malley I think obviously

they got the Cheetos timeline with the the storyline I should say with the loss

The Perennial peroneal nerve um the fight only lasts like three maybe

four minutes I don’t think it was even four minutes I think three minutes that’s an interesting one because I

think Cheeto is very stationary which Sean likes he likes to just throw one-off shots and kind of move move

around pick apart his opponents until he could land that kill shot I don’t know if he’s doing that to Cheeto Cheetos got

a hell of a chain and really good defense he’ll probably be able to chop down Cheetos legs and attack the body

but I I just can’t see him really hurting him

he doesn’t tend to run into anything he stays grounded um he picks his shots he’s planted and

rooting into the ground when he’s fighting but I think a guy who’s very mobile like Sean is going to be very hard for Cheeto to hit and kind of

corner and cut him off so that would be the interesting part of that that matchup but honestly guys

Corey saying Higgins hurt Umar and a Maga mad officer marab is recovering um Henry siguro is healing up and he

should be good to go so out of those guys I think there’s only one name that comes

to mind and has algerman Sterling in the rematch no no all jokes aside though I think if

I don’t get the immediate rematch and I don’t want to fight if they were offering me that immediate rematch for

like December I’m just trying to respectfully decline um but if they were to do it early next

year like January February I would accept it in a heartbeat but if I’m not going to get the rematch

the next guideline has to be more Rob DeVos really has to be number one Contender

um I don’t think any other matchup makes more sense than him clearly the other guys are on the sideline they’re hurt so

it’s going to be very interesting to see what the UFC actually does but I think that is the most logical matchup whether or not that’s a

fun fight for the fans I don’t know I think it’s another interesting matchup with a guy who can get takedowns over

and over over again exhausts his opponents I mean look what he did with Yan look

how the fight would Yan and and O’Malley went um it just makes things interesting and then obviously my fight with uh Sean

until it was over it it leaves a lot of interesting

questions to be answered and I think it’d be a great opportunity for morab to get a title shot and to become the first

Georgian Champion you know so I think that’d be huge for him in this country it’d be huge for us and our team and of

course that’ll put me in limbo I know people are like well what does that leave you Al Joe I don’t know

um maybe I stick around at 35 and take like a fight or two and then maybe I explore

45 or maybe I just go right to 45. it just really depends let’s just see how things shape up before we just kind of

start jumping to conclusions and and getting all crazy with all this other

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repeat for production hopefully September hopefully

um but I gotta get on that I got to do my part but at the same time I kind of want to take vacation just kind of chill so I gotta find that work life balance

right now um in this separate Venture from fighting but like I was saying I I think

Murad makes the most sense that’d be a very interesting fight uh I think Sean will pose some problems with the

Striking I’m not gonna lie based on the the footwork and the movement that Sean has but I do think marab is a little he

has shown to be very very patient and that I think

is the key to beating a guy like Sean and we knew that going in with my fight

preparing for him it’s the the guys he highlights are the guys that run forward

or the guys that just walk forward they’re just plotty stationary linear

there’s no side to side angles there’s no faints there’s no footwork and I think that’s where moroba can make

things very tricky for uh Sean to do it because again for his stuff to work he has to

come forward and when you come forward you give the grappler an opportunity to grab you lock your hands and do really

really good stuff in their favor where Sean has the reach he has the height we can see

him I can see him trying to stay long and just throw like front kicks the whole time calf kicks the whole time

long Jabs um one twos the same way he pretty much was trying to fight me

but I think that style only works as we saw like the first round was non-eventful is that on me or is that on

Sean the striker or the wrestler like we know what I’m trying to do trying to pressure forward and cut you off but at the same

time you’re trying to stay long and use footwork and faints the whole time you’re going to kind of get a boring

fight if no one decides to push forward so that’s where I kind of wonder how

that matchup would play out if mirab stays discipline for 25 minutes how does Sean win

let’s see if the UFC makes that match up because that would be a fun one to watch

and I hope they do um career zombie man retired very

intriguing moment because this guy he’s been a he’s a Pioneer I think he hit the

first twister in the UFC uh or WC whatever he’s one of the first twister

guys and to come out and always put it on the line I I feel bad for those two

years that he lost when he went to war for his country of course it’s a very Noble thing I’m not saying he should not have done that but it’s very unfortunate

that we lost two years of zombie in the Octagon after he had that fight to

Jose Aldo for the title and it was a very competitive fight back then until his shoulder came out the socket and

then that was pretty much the last we saw of him for a very long time it would be interesting to see what he

would have been able to do in that time if he actually stayed in the

in the pool the whole time competing with everybody now he’s done he’s off man and I just want

to say thank you Korean zombie for all the great fights and the great memories man walk out entrance iconic zombie

fights where just this intensity in this ferocity just like ferocious

ferociousness just he’s just the he’s the guy he’s a Fighter’s fighter

and uh he will be missed of course you know he got into that zombie mode

took a chance pushed forward and I feel like we’ve been seeing a lot of these counter crosses or overhands that have

been putting guys out when they get over aggressive myself uh JP um against McGee

um now zombie and Holloway and there was one more that we had I had just saw

um it was a quick one

um I don’t know I I can’t remember off the top of my head there’s been so many fights but we’ve been seeing a lot of

these cross counters where guys are pushing in the other person’s getting the head off the center line or they’re

stepping back and intercepting and I think we’re gonna start to see a trend where people are going to have to be a

little bit more patient they can’t just Wade in forward Ah that’s when you get caught you know another one that reminds

me Jessica and Josh versus um Zhang Wei Lee and I think Yao Shannon both those fights I think she did the

exact same thing what she got caught coming in being overly aggressive aggressiveness works when the guy covers

up or the female covers up but when the person is like looking the whole time and kind of waiting and they can set and

plant their feet it’s a recipe for disaster and more than likely you are going to get sat on that

ass or probably knocked out cold um yeah so with that being said Holloway

showed that he had some what he said he had stones in those pillows those pillowcases this time and good for him

man good win over a Savage veteran like Korean zombie

now people are talking about us fighting if I come up to 45 and earning my shot at the title

that’s a very interesting fight I mean I’m not ruling it out but it’s also like that’s Max Holloway man that’s that’s a

fight I need to make sure I I am more than well prepared to to be up for that guy does not quit we know how

he scraps he brings that energy man so I gotta be ready to go I can’t afford to be making any mistakes in a matchup like

that yeah he might not be the the sniper of sitting down on his punches but he’s

a volume guy and I think volume guys are more dangerous because you know you’re

in for a long night if you can’t take them down or if you can’t get to the

back control or you can’t put them away early you are in for a long long night of damage

and that’s how Max fights man he brings the volume count with punches spinning

back kicks Cav cakes body kicks he makes it up well against zombie in this last fight

and we all seen his fights with yair we’ve seen his fight with Ortega we’ve seen this fight with voknowski

you know if Volk wasn’t here Max would probably still be the champ you know um so that says a lot so if I could go

out there and beat a guy like Max that’s that’s crazy but you know I’ve trained with him before in the past

it’s just weird like 45 there’s guys I’ve trained with I’ve trained with um Brian Ortega I’ve trained with Max

um then you got Giga chikaze and taporia I’ve never trained with those two guys but the Georgian I’m like

I don’t want to fight either one of those guys because of the relationship with marab I know that would get very

awkward and I feel like secretly I don’t even know like I I feel I don’t know I

don’t know where the Loyalty would go I really don’t know I have to ask around like which way you rock it with bro I

know you probably say one thing and your heart probably feels another so I don’t know it’s uh it would be a very weird

and tricky situation so I would rather avoid a situation like that unless I were to fight a guy like Max or Arnold

Allen or um I don’t even know who else is there in that top five Calvin kater I don’t

know if I fought and be happy to beat one of those guys and then I fight for the belt I think the situation is different if I have to fight one of the

Georgians it’s a different situation but it’s also still a thought man

if if I can’t beat these guys at 35 I think it’s going to be tough for me at 45 or maybe I get a fresh release on

life maybe the weight cut is hurting my performances when I rehydrate I I

don’t know it’s I I can’t put my finger on it um but I do think I performed

differently in the cage a little bit more conservative than I do when I’m training and sparring in the

room I think I’m a lot more free and maybe because I’m heavier and

there’s less consequences because the shin guards the headgear and the seven ounce gloves versus the the shin bones

elbows and the smaller gloves so I don’t know I gotta figure out where I fall into that category and um

talk with the team but for right now I have no desire to even I’m just talking potentials this is a

hypothetical I don’t want to add stress to my life right now like right now I’m stress-free I don’t think about anything

fighting related outside of being a a fan right now so I don’t have to think

of this person might be trying to punch me or anything like that so it’s kind of cool and chill to be on the other side

of things for right now hey babe

um blanchfield she had a great performance against Talia Santos obviously a lot of

people thought that she actually beat Valentino shevchenko but it was a very close and competitive

fight uh I don’t know which way I feel like I leaned towards Santos in that one when

they were given the decision I saw that Valentina won I mean I’m not mad at it it was a very close fight

um but blanchfield she’s a dog I do think she takes a lot of damage though when she’s trying to pursue her

takedowns and just push You Against the Cage do some damage and drag you down to the mats I I think that could be

problematic if she gets hit too much too early but then against a girl like Santos who wasn’t able to capitalize too

much like she won the first round but then the second round you could kind of see the pressure of blancheville kind of

just just weighing on her a bit and from there I think it made it a little bit more difficult for Santos Orlando’s

powerful punches and really do any significant damage that can continue to keep blancheville at Bay and

we saw what blancheville does she does what she does best and she keeps the pressure on until you present her something and she looks for that

submission quick um she’s tough she’s adorable she’s young so she could put her body on a line like

that for for now um I would be interesting to see it’s going to be interested interesting to

see what they do with her necks I feel like she has to get the next shot after Grosso versus

Valentina in the rematch I don’t think there’s anybody else right now um Who falls in line to get the next shot

unless I’m missing something I would have to look at the rankings again but I think Aaron Blanchard has been active

she’s been winning she just beat the number four girl in the world and Santos

she has to be next I just can’t see how anyone else could LeapFrog her unless she were to get hurt knock on wood don’t

want to see her get hurt but great performance uh like I said I I do think

it takes a little bit of damage but it’s a fight you know you’re not going to come out of every single fight unscathed usually it’s nice when you’re a Grappler

because grapples tend to take less damage because we’re doing less trading in the pocket um less standing up and looking at each

other and exchanging strikes we’re more so pursuing the takedowns we’re striking With a Purpose with the end goal of

either getting you to the cage to clinch you up and then eventually getting you down to the ground inside trips take

down singles doubles all that good stuff so yeah I just have to point out the things

that I’ve seen that I notice that could be something that her opponents might actually be looking at and uh

again she’s young she’s adorable so she could get away with it for now obviously father time is going to be undefeated I

don’t know how long she plans to fight but I think she’s a future Champion for sure

and we’ll see if she could make it one of one when she gets her first fight for the belt if she can seize that

opportunity and become a champion on the very first shot that she gets I think she can she’s that talented I

think she’s really freaking good uh next up

I saw Mighty Mouse and Vegas ran into him at the outlets me

and the lady went to go do a little shopping a little retail therapy but um it was cool I we’re pulling in

and we see this guy head out he turns we’re pulled up behind

him trying to like we’re like yo bro hurry up and park they’re reversing in taking his sweet ass time his wife was

driving um as she reverses in he turns his head

he looks we make eye contact I’m in the driver’s seat and I go I squint

I go babe are you seeing this is that Mighty Mouse and she’s like oh my God what are the odds I’m like yo I don’t

know what are the odds of that so I’m like oh no I wind the window down he he wants the window down he starts

laughing I started laughing I look at him I was like what are you doing here I was like no no no no I’m parking right

next to that ass I got to have a few words with this man uh so we we parked

got out the car we talked a little bit and it was cool I I did have to break his balls I’m like yo bro why are you

always coming for me why are you always coming for me on social media like come on man I know black on black crime I’m

trying to do what you did I’m trying to be great you know some black excellence uh but we had a really good conversation

talked some business we talked about my fight obviously and uh we talked about the first round we talked about the

second round he was like dude I knew you saw immediately once you through that strike and you stepped into that line of

fire it’s like I knew you saw right away that you up I was like yeah I saw it I knew it when I threw it I saw

something else and I misread the timing of when Sean stepped and

obviously the Russ is history and he was like yeah if you just stuck to what you did

the first round yeah it would have been a boring ass fight he was like I like pretty much was saying I like that you said that you acknowledge that you know

and you analyze and you accept and understand everything that happened and uh he’s like yeah just being patient and

um that would that that he thinks would have been the Game Changer in that one in terms of the outcome uh and forcing

him to come to me we talked about some Muay Thai stuff a little bit of the clinch game and possibly working with

each other we made fun of Henry revealing DMS because that’s just like he’s such a he’s such a clout Chaser

that guy Henry sayudo if you’re watching this you are such a cloud chaser bro

come on I know we’re not like best friends or anything but why does everything have to have a camera in

front of it it’s like the weirdest thing is that’s why we had like a little altercation in Vegas and people thought

we were staging it because he said something along the lines of like let’s wait for the camera I’m like yo bro this is not a game dude like you

think everything is about like yo what’s waiting for the cameras to do this and like stay like nah dude we’re actually fighting like

we can shake each other’s hand and whatever like but we don’t have to wait for cameras to kind of like build up or hype the fight and try to sell wolf

tickets like I don’t know that it could be a little weird with that type of stuff um that I’ve noticed over the years with

him but he’s a good dude you know we you know I smoked with him hung out with him at his house

um that one time we did that video with DC um but yeah I had to break his balls about this like yo dude what’s up with

your best friend man your boy is such a cloud chaser dude what is up with that he was like yeah yeah hit me up he’s

like he jokingly said like I won’t show your DMs or your text messages we both just had a laugh I thought it was cool

um he’s got so shout out to his his brand um Quantum I think energy bars it’s like caffeine caffeinated energy

bars or whatever something like that uh he said it’s in a couple stores or pretty much around the U.S so shout out

to him for that I told him about the fun carbon told him to send him a bottle he said he’ll buy and support when it drops

us let him know uh so we exchanged numbers and everything and just talk business Talk Shop

um what it what drives him and motivates him to still keep fighting a fight with

me interests him still otherwise he’s kind of like eh and I I said I know that

sentiment of what you’re saying I was like this fight with me and O’Malley I was kind of I’m kind of getting to that point in my career where it’s like I

want to have fun fights fights that get me excited fights that get me scared nervous um that I know was like yo this is

dangerous I got to go out there and prepare and be the best version of myself because I don’t want to just be going

out there with these guys that I have no real like interest in fighting because then it’s just like I’m in there and

then that’s how you get hurt that’s how you get knocked out that’s how bad things happen like obviously this is the best way we can make money easiest way I

can make money based on what my pay rate is now but at the end of the day you don’t want

to be getting in that cage and locking those doors without having your head on correct and

intact for the right reasons you got to be doing it for the right reasons and that was one of the main things that we

both stressed what he stressed to me especially at his age I was like yo bro this hurts dude like I don’t bounce

back and recover as as well as I did when we were both in our 20s it’s just not the same I’m 34 I think he’s 36.

we’re not fossils but we have a lot of fight years on us and from wrestling as

well so yeah that was a cool thing man so shout out Mighty Mouse man and his brand quantum

and I think he has something else in the works that he’s working on um and we talked about possibly cross training with each other so we’ll see

Henry move over I might be stealing your best friend but I might be stealing your boy I might be stealing you’re a guy

um I was gonna say so the other thing I

might be competing in Polaris guys I gotta see about the UFC clearance first and see what the situation is with

that it’s gonna be at the end of September so my thing is I want to make sure that and I spoke to my potential opponent already on on IG I’m not gonna

tell you guys who it is yet unless he already revealed who it is but I told him I was like yeah I’m not

going to be training like I’m on vacation mode I’m going to be drinking I’m going to be out of shape I was like I don’t want to cut that much weight but

at the same time I want to compete um still kind of keep the nerves and

everything in that mode but I want to compete against someone that will probably be in the same weight class 145

um so it’s going to be fun and I just told him I was like yo I I want to make sure

like yeah I’m coming to win so yeah I might not be training but I’m definitely coming to win and I think

grappling is one of those things that’s second nature to me so I I get a couple rolls in here and

there while I’m on vacation I think I’ll be in more than good enough shape to compete the last thing I want to do is

look like complete crab and I told him I was like dude if I’m not going to be in any type of shape whatever I’m not going

to do it but I think I can definitely squeeze in a couple training sessions here and there get the weight down

and then come over to Wales and compete for the UK the UK fan base or the

European fan base I I keep saying UK and generalizing everyone associated with them with the UK I gotta start saying

European the European fan base and yeah so that’s that’s like the tentative schedule right now for

that go see what the UFC says um gonna head back to New York either

tomorrow Monday I gotta fly back we got a fundraiser the

Brian Moore fundraiser cop that died he’s from plain Edge I’m going to be

doing like a golf outing I’m not going to be participating in the golf I’m just going to go there for dinner shake some hands get some babies

um and then after that Wednesday we’re gonna head over to Parks Casino and Pa I got the return of both my brothers Troy

Sterling and Kelvin Sterling fighting for cage Fury September 1st and then we got Lem Lem AKA Anthony De Lemmy that’s

actually his real name fighting September 2nd at Parks Casino as well so I’m going to be working back to back

events for cage Fury so if you guys are in PA make sure you pull up and show some love to your boy uh acid of scraps

just know we’re going to be taking some shots so come hang have a good time

positive energy only and um yeah as always man thank you guys for supporting

man I don’t see if there’s anything else we didn’t touch on oh potential travel schedule so I’m going to be bringing

Mike some workout gear not too much because this is going to keep me from wanting to work out too much

more so than vacationing uh we’re gonna go to Australia we’ll probably land at

like 6 30 in the morning so so you guys are Sydney after we get

there we’ll be doing a couple of meet and greets with the UFC we’re going to travel the coast a little bit not the

coast I mean I’ll say but we’re going to explore City a little bit take the lady out because I’ve been there before I did want to go to

um cans but to fly there and come right back that might be a little tough to do but I’m gonna see if there’s something

me and hurricane finagle because I would like her to see the Great Barrier Reef but that’s like a whole day adventure

um to fly there than to fly back it’s a lot of moving Parts but we’re gonna see I would like her to see one of the

wonders of the world and then from there we’ll watch the fights on that Sunday then that Monday

we’re going to fly out to Bali Bali MMA will be training over there for a little bit but for the most part it’s going to

be more vacationing than anything and then we’re debating if we’re going to go to Italy or Thailand afterwards

to kind of finish up the trip and then from there we’ll fly back to the States come back for a few days get ready for

Polaris or um the UFC Fight Pass Invitational one of the two we’re going to do just

depending on you know that money baby that depends on that bread and I like

competition um after that we compete in that we’re gonna have like a two-week break we’re

probably gonna try to go to like El Salvador go visit her country because she hasn’t been in a very very long time

since she was a kid and then I think we might hop Down To Jamaica for a bit

we’re gonna see we’re gonna try to do like a little balance of like a Caribbean kind of thing or

um Latin American Caribbean kind of thing and then from there we’ll probably head over to

Dubai then Abu Dhabi or Abu Dhabi then Dubai and then Rebecca’s birthday is at

the end of the month um so after that we’re gonna we just got to see where we’re going to be and then

we go to Mexico on November 4th so we got a wedding that we’re going to

go to probably not probably it’s in Cancun I didn’t want to say where it was but it’s in Cancun we’re gonna be in

Cancun November 4th for the wedding uh one of my best friends uh shout out Dre Berry and then

we’ll be back for MSG UFC MSG we should have two or three guys fighting on that

card and then after that I think we’ll start to get back into like the groove of like training

or maybe we might take one more week vacation somewhere tropical I don’t know well the the opportunities are endless

right now like I said this is the most fun and most relaxed I’ve ever been in a long time not having to think that I got to do pt

uh I can’t get too hungover because if I if I have a crappy PT session or if I have too many crappy days in a row then

I’m gonna be behind schedule and then trying to get ready for a fire Camp no I don’t got to think about any of that I’m

going to be working on my rum brand I’ll be working with nerd Focus um who I have a shared Equity with so

guys support um nerd focus on Amazon.com or check out nerfocus.com and then see

where you can actually pick up the product uh you support them you’re supporting me and of course Funk Harbor

like I said we got a couple things with label we want to clean up um make this a little bit cleaner with

the font and text on the back and the story I want to share an authentic story with you guys and then from there we are

off to the races so shout out Funk Harbor shout out nerd Focus thank you guys for always supporting and don’t

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I look forward to making my return but for now we’re going to enjoy life cheers